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Exiern
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A barbarian tries to rescue a princess from an evil wizard, but unfortunately for him things don't go as planned. The wizard has laid a curse upon his head. Will the barbarian's curse ever be lifted? There is only one way to find out...
Early on spoiler:
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From: cj
, 109 months, post #1 |
Text taken from a post by (Air Gear) on another thread, and moved
here:
"... I'm the poster who works on the webcomic Exiern as well as the
person who stands up for the Portuguese version of Lalola without
fail. Thought I should finally stick a label on my posts.
I'd to discuss with you about getting permission to start a thread.
Basically, it would be about this:
Basically, at its most basic level, Exiern is a webcomic where a
number of characters have had their bodies turned to things other
than what they left the shop factory floor with. Not everybody's
happy with their model upgrades but some are.
What I'm asking for permission to do is start a thread about these
characters and ask some advice about their portrayals so far and
what works, what doesn't, what could be expanded on, what's been
neglected and so on. For one of my examples, I think it's doing
some very good work with looking at identity but I feel it could be
taking more advantage of its fantasy magical setting in this
context (it seems to me too bound by the kind of rules this world
has).
Anyway having read a lot of posts and threads here, I feel a lot of
this is what a lot of you already talk about already so I guess
what I'm asking is if I can start a thread outlining some
characters and plot points and ask all your opinions. That's the
only reason I've been asking cj to read it, because from what I've
seen here and what I know comes up, there's a lot of overlap in
terms of issues discussed (obviously, in the case of a webcomic,
it's doing so through the mechanisms of a fictional setting).
It would be disingenuous of me to not acknowledge that this could
potentially boost traffic but this isn't meant to be an advertising
pitch. However, I thought I would ask first before starting a
thread precisely because that's exactly what it could look like."
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From: cj
, 109 months, post #2 |
If you feel that you need more threads, or character-specific
threads, feel free to start them as needed.
... in the mean-time, this should help you get started.
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From: guest (Air Gear)
, 109 months, post #3 |
Good Lord, how's that for service? Obligatory sucking up at this
point but we've always spoken highly of your site when we talk
about it. The referral traffic is always nice too.
OK, I'm going to need a bit of time to write what specifically I
was after (I'm not the writer or the artist, I handle advertising,
promotion, other logistics and stuff).
So to start with, here's links to both the webcomic and its spinoff
so you can actually read it and then my further posts will be
rather spoiler heavy at that point, so if you don't want that to
happen until you've read the parts in question, you'll know not to
read my posts after this one until then.
Page One Here: There's closing on 800 at the moment.
http://www.exiern.com/2005/09/06/so-far/
Alternate Dimension One here where the initial events went just a
bit differently and the resulting knock-on effect is quite
significant. First 45 pages are free, the next 7 or so are in the
Patreon, sorry I can't do anything about that. It's only the $1
tier if you want to keep going though. It currently updates with 2
new pages once a month (I promise that's not a pitch but that is
currently the only way to see them).
One other thing, this site was a link in the chain that led me to
this webcomic in the first place, which I really like and I've made
a lot of friends who are authors and artists on other webcomics too
because of it. So, thank you for that. I haven't even gotten to how
much I've enjoyed Please Come Back Mister (I spent an awful lot of
my life trying to learn Korean) and Go Princess Go, both of which I
may well not have seen if I hadn't seen the recommendations here.
So thanks again I guess, keep up the good work.
extra.exiern.com/comic/dark-reflections-00/
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From: guest
, 109 months, post #4 |
Will Typhan-Knee continue her journey into Tiffany? I stopped
reading as the story turned heavily away from that as a storyline,
I know the people at Exiern don't want to ruin the storyline, but I
was more interested in the transformative aspects of the series
then the politics.
I will check it out again now though and see where the story is
going, thanks
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From: guest (Air Gear)
, 109 months, post #5 |
Well, I can't actually spoil it because I have no knowledge of
future developments. I get no advance story whatsoever, nor do I
want it. In fact, I haven't read the last 33 or so pages.
I will be honest with you though, the current stage of the story,
he's reversed course and is resisting (which is why we're mostly
all using - by we I mean the commenters - male pronouns he, him,
his and Typhan-Knee or Typh, not Typh at the moment. It was a big
declarative reaffirmation of identity by the character).
See here:
http://www.exiern.com/2014/12/30/new-year-o-new-hero/
Next Page:
http://www.exiern.com/2015/01/06/or-not/
Next Page Again:
http://www.exiern.com/2015/01/13/trashing-the-camp/
And to date, here's the current state of play. The King, as always,
remains awesome.
http://www.exiern.com/2015/01/20/words/
Still, that's one of the things I'd like to talk about in terms of
future directions for the character and what people think, so I
guess it's all still up in the air as far as I know. The show's
been running fo 11 years already and given the number of plot
points they're steadily working through (so there is a plan,
promise), it could easily run for another 11 to 15.
So here's your chance to voice an opinion. I can't promise it will
influence anything, I can't even say that for myself. Can't hurt
either, though so I hope you'll come back and give some
observations and what you think. That goes for everyone who wants
to take part.
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From: guest (Air Gear)
, 109 months, post #6 |
Just to add, life journeys are rarely in one direction from start
to finish, so just because the lead character's backtracking at the
moment doesn't mean he'll keep going in that direction. For all I
know, he could turn around and head back the other way at some
point.
We've been talking about Go Princess Go a bit (me and the creative
team) because it's not entirely different in terms of how changed
circumstances (putting it mildly) can start a personal journey that
heads in all sorts of interesting directions, though like real
life, it's rarely a straight line in the same direction.
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From: guest
, 109 months, post #7 |
Oops, that should read:
"male pronouns he, him, his and Typhan-Knee or Typh, not Tiffany
or Tiff ..."
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From: guest (Air Gear)
, 109 months, post #8 |
Whoops, that was me ^.
OK, I'd better drop a topic to get started. One criticism that has
been raised about Exiern is that right at the start, the lead
character gets his body transformed into a female one and yet
doesn't seem terribly out by this. My thoughts were that in this
world, even if it's not common, it's also not so unusual as to be
not heard of by the populace.
Lead in here:
http://www.exiern.com/2005/10/04/mistakes-were-made/
http://www.exiern.com/2005/10/08/hair/
http://www.exiern.com/2005/10/09/the-tranformation/
http://www.exiern.com/2005/10/10/kzaatt/
and finally here, showing how people take things like this in their
stride in this world.
http://www.exiern.com/2005/10/11/flawed-plan/
So from the point of view of the lead character, he's rescued the
king's daughter and is due for a huge reward and it shouldn't be a
big issue to find another magician to change him back.
I think this is born out here when a spell cast by members of the
priesthood to change him back backfires. The priests who now find
themselves in the same situation don't seem terribly bothered
either for the same reasons as seems to be the case here.
http://www.exiern.com/2009/10/29/backfire/
and next page here:
http://www.exiern.com/2009/11/05/confused-and-distracted/
and so on.
Things only come to a head later when he realises that unlike usual
cases of this type, he could be stuck like this forever.
http://www.exiern.com/2011/04/15/dont-want-to-help-anymore/
So anyway, that's kind of how it came about and the world its in
and what people think of it when things like this happen. I'll go
on to talk about the main characters caught up in events like this
and how they deal with it in the next post.
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From: guest (Post 4)
, 109 months, post #9 |
Hi again,
Yeah that's what I didn't like, it felt like the breaks were put on
too soon, but maybe it's just slowed down not changed direction,
her clothes still Morph so maybe the curse is still going strong.
I'd like to see it get worse, for Typh to become more of a Tiff and
loose her height and muscles, then have to adapt to life without
the abilities to be a barbarian, maybe move towards being a rogue
or a bard, add lots of character development. I'm not saying he
should become a breeding cow, just that he should go from barbaric
man to feminine woman and have to adapt to having to change
fighting styles and adapt skills.
Other then that I had enjoyed the comic, I enjoyed the links, I've
read them all, not sure when I stopped probably a bit before
Christmas.
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From: guest (Air Gear)
, 109 months, post #10 |
Some of what you describe kind of happens, what's happened since
then could be described as (possibly) over-compensatory blowback
and compensation (possibly overcorrection).
If you haven't seen this segment, you could start here:
http://www.exiern.com/2011/06/13/thats-to-be-expected/
and go all the way through or then skip to here:
http://www.exiern.com/2011/07/26/that-wasnt-that-funny/
http://www.exiern.com/2011/07/28/little-thing/
and so on.
Some of what you described happened for a while there are least.
The character's currently trying to reverse course as much as
possible since all this happened but bit varying degrees of
success.
I'm going to link to this thread to the creative team when it has
enough opinions, so any comments about everything or anything, feel
free to include here.
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From: guest
, 109 months, post #11 |
I had read some of it, but must have stopped for a bit as I don't
remember this http://www.exiern.com/2011/11/03/my-pal-silence/ hehe
really cool, a barbarian that can't tear silk
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From: guest (Air Gear)
, 109 months, post #12 |
Hey, that stuff is *tough*.
"Pound for pound, spider silk is stronger than steel."
http://wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-strong-is-silk/
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From: guest
, 109 months, post #13 |
It would take a lot of spider silk lol, but you are right, I
remember a story about people wearing silk in wars as arrows could
not piece it, so it made it easy to pull out the arrows when
knights were shot, I think it was about feudal Japan... But still
lol
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From: guest (Air Gear)
, 109 months, post #14 |
Just saw the Dark Reflections link didn't work *sigh*. Well, until
the link can be fixed, let's try that again.
http://extra.exiern.com/comic/dark-reflections-00/
(It does work if you copy and paste it.)
Let's try that again.
http://extra.exiern.com/comic/dark-reflections-00/
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From: Air Gear
, 106 months, post #15 |
Just thought I might as well resurrect this thread instead of using
the shameless self-promotion thread, because that's meant to be
just about advertising.
As for the characters themselves, looking at the main one, I think
what's interesting is that I think the character's realistic in the
sense that once it's realised it's not going to be easy to reverse
their transformation, they don't like it and they never stop trying
to find a way to reverse it. I think that's what most people would
do under the circumstances.
As for sexual orientation, that doesn't just change just like that
just because your body does and the other dilemma the main
character has is that being in a body that hasn't been their own
does make the whole situation very awkward indeed. They're not
automatically just rolling with it and I think that's quite
realistic too.
Thoughts anybody?
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From: Air Gear
, 106 months, post #16 |
Well, I guess, to clarify, the story doesn't in spite of initial
appearances, fall into the usual cliches you'd expect. It's quite
refreshing in that sense that it avoids the expected pitfalls.
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From: Air Gear
, 87 months, post #17 |
Didn't think I'd be able to find this thread again:
For Valentine's Day and the 14th Valentine's Day Sex Drive
are the pages for:
Exiern
and the spin-off in an alternate universe
Exiern: Dark Reflections
If you follow the instructions on the page, you can then follow the
links to the uncensored versions. You could treat them as a before
and after set of images, which they kind of are - alternate
dimensions notwithstanding - but doppelgängers, though so ... close
enough?
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