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PARADOX ALICE
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In the near future, a team is sent on a dangerous mission to Europa to retrieve and bring water back to a dying Earth. Their operation unexpectedly goes awry, jeopardizing not only the lives of those on board but also on earth, resulting in the possible extinction of the human race. One of the mai ...more |
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From: guest (john)
, 146 months, post #1 |
WARNING! Contains SPOILERS!
Overall, the acting and production quality are good for an
independent film. As a TG movie, it is worth watching. The
transformation sequence is excellent and the characters do a good
job with the transformation and its aftermath. But as a movie for a
general audience? I don't think I could recommended it to anyone
else. I found that the movie is a little too stereotypical in its
portrayal of men and women. It also deals with sexual violence in a
fashion I found deeply disturbing.
Specifically, it seems that protagonist Alex/Alice becomes way too
submissive when attacked by antagonist O'Bryne, which seems to be
the complete opposite of how the original Alex would have acted
(practically character death). All because she is now a woman? And
needs a man (the third character, Jim) to protect her? But Jim is
useless anyway and ends up dead, so Alice ends up getting raped by
her O'Bryne. She manages to kill him, good. But then the aftermath
is disgusting. She ends up being impregnated from the rape and
seems to convince herself that Jim was really the father of her
babies. Okay, this is reasonable, since she was in love with Jim
and it is a way of dealing with her trauma. But then she also
starts embracing her rapist (O'Bryne)'s religion? In doing this it
minimizes the rape and practically vindicates the rapist. Which
might be okay if there was some underlying point or message to the
whole movie. But the only point I could find is that Alice is
simply a baby making machine (like all women) and rape is alright
because it is the only way to repopulate the human race. Sorry, too
disturbing for me.
Furthermore, I think the movie is really let down by its story,
which is just too full of plot holes. Now perhaps I'm being a bit
harsh, it is only an independent movie. But I think the story is
always the key part of any movie, mainstream or independent. I also
think that many of these holes could have been fixed if a little
more attention had been given to making sure the story made sense.
Some major plot holes are listed below. If anyone can be bothered
to read more of my reasoning behind these I've expanded on them at
the bottom of this post.
1) The whole premise of the story is completely implausible. No one
is going to go to Europa to get water for Earth when it will be
more energy efficient to purify some water on Earth.
2) Nuclear weapons destroying the Earth in a death star like
fashion?
3) Using solar panels to get to a new star system?
4) Growing long hair and nails when you turn into a woman? It's a
TG clich�, but I always find it ridiculous.
5) Neither Jim or Alice are particular concerned when O'Bryne
starts acting weird and violent early in the movie.
6) Alice meekly submits to O'Bryne once she has the collar on, even
though so could have asked Red or Jim for some help.
7) Alex/Alice and Jim are supposed to be former soldiers but are
completely incompetent when trying to deal with O'Bryne.
8) The human race being repopulated from a mother and her twin
babies? Too much yucky incest plus a rather severe population
bottleneck.
9) Aliens on Mars? What are they there for? Are these related to
the aliens that somehow appear out of nowhere at the end of the
movie?
Given my comments above, I wouldn't say that Paradox Alice ranks
among the best TG films. I would still say that The Last Piece
Standing is Mako's best work. And I think that other recent TG
films, like Identity Theft, The Hit Girl, Apocalypse CA and The
Skin I Live In, are more enjoyable to watch, better written and
more suited for a general audience than Paradox Alice.
Just my 2c.
In more detail, the issues I have with the plot, and ways I could
think of fixing it off the top of my head:
1) Going to Europa to get water for Earth? Sure, the water of Earth
being contaminated might be a bit of a problem, but purifying water
isn't exactly difficult - the only caveat is the it requires
energy. And there is no way that getting water from half-way across
the solar system is going to be any more energy efficient that
purifying some of the vast amounts of contaminated water available
on Earth. What's more, how much water could a ship possibly bring?
Enough for thousands of people? Hundreds of thousands? That's
already starting to stretch it. Certainly not many millions or
billions. And bringing water from Europa is going the save the
Earth? How does that work? People would just fight over it even
more. Possible Fix: The ship is an exploration ship and the Earth
is destroyed by other means.
2) Nuclear weapons destroying the Earth in a death star like
fashion? Huh? A lot of people might die if there is a nuclear war,
and it might start a nuclear winter. But it isn't going to turn the
earth into asteroids. Possible Fix: Have the Earth turned into a
nuclear wasteland with all life extinguished but not into
asteroids. Or, the ship is an exploration ship and the Earth is
destroyed by other means. Comet impact. Aliens. Gamma ray burst.
3) The ship doesn't have enough fuel for light in deep space, to
get to another solar system. But wait, its okay. Because we have
SOLAR PANELS? Big enough to power a ship? And I'm sure they'll work
great between star systems, a long long way from a sun. Possible
Fix: The ship can refuel itself, e.g. hydrogen scoop. Anything
would be better than solar panels.
4) Yes, its a TG clich�, but seriously, growing long hair when you
turn into a woman? Long NAILS? Because ALL women have long hair and
nails. And no men do. And women's hair and nails grow faster then
men. Or that women have long hair and nails because of genetic
reasons, not because they grow them like that. Right. Sure. /sarc
Possible Fix: Turn into a woman without growing her hair or nails,
i.e. let her have short hair and nails. Is it really that hard?
Perhaps she could even start growing her hair out as she begins to
accept being a woman?
5) O'Bryne starts acting weird and violent towards Alice early in
the movie but neither Jim or Alice think that they should keep an
eye on him? Possible Fix: Have O'Bryne act more normally in the
beginning of the movie - he could secretly by planning something
without needing to be so obvious early on.
6) O'Bryne puts a 'shock collar' on Alice to control her. Then
leaves and tells her to come to him later that night. Great, he's
gone. So what does Alice do? Go to see Red? Surely Red would want
to protect the captain? Get Red to lock O'Bryne up so he can't hurt
her anymore? (Red certainly didn't seem to have any qualms about
dealing with Jim when he got troublesome earlier in the movie.) Or
at least Alice could ask Red to lock herself away to keep her safe
from O'Bryne? Or, perhaps she should go and see Jim for help? Any
sane person would do something. But, no, Alice meekly accepts her
fate. She will have to give herself to O'Bryne. Dresses herself up.
Puts make up on (when did she how to do learn that?). Even though
she is falling in love with Jim. What happened to that feisty
person that used to be Alex? Oh, Alex was turned into a woman. So
now has to be submissive. Accept her fate as a sex object for men.
And loses a few brain cells as well, apparently. Possible Fix:
Alice tries to fight O'Bryne from the beginning but is outsmarted
in the end.
7) So Jim finds Alice and the two nearly sleep together. But no,
Jim says, this is ridiculous, we have to deal with O'Bryne first.
Finally, things are looking up! At least the movie is starting to
make some sense. Right? Oh. That didn't last long. Their plan is so
bad it is laughable. Let's hide Alice away somewhere in a vent
that's easily accessible. Oh, yeah, two of them forget that the
collar is radio controlled so can be used at a distance to find
Alice. And Jim goes searching for O'Bryne in the ship but is so
bloody incompetent he just wanders around the ship aimlessly,
failing to find O'Bryne so O'Bryne can find Alice first. Brilliant.
Again, couldn't they ask Red for help? At least get Red to lock
Alice away while Jim goes to look for O'Bryne? I thought Alice was
the captain. At least get Alice to ask Red where O'Bryne is?
Couldn't Jim at least have a go at O'Bryne wants he find him? All
he needs to do is knock the remote out of O'Bryne's hand.
Alex/Alice and Jim are both former soldiers. Fought in wars. Killed
many enemies. Survived. Yeah when confronted with a religious
nutter, what they do? Act like a bunch of incompetent school kids.
Possible Fix: At least make sure Jim gets beaten by O'Bryne in a
more plausible fashion. Maybe O'Bryne uses Red to beat Jim? After
all, Red already is suspicious about Jim.
8) The human race is going to be repopulated by a mother and her
babies (presumeably twins, one male and one female)? Great, incest.
And talk about population bottleneck. There will be so little
genetic variation in the new human population that they will be
unable to evolve to suit to a new environment. Possible Fix: Can't
think of any, this seems to be the whole premise of the movie.
9) Aliens on Mars? That killed all of Jim's former crewmates? What
was that part of the story for? Something to do with the aliens
that suddenly appeared out of nowhere at the end of the movie? And
what kind of ending is that? Possible Fix: The Mars aliens don't
seem to serve any purpose in the story. Remove them. As far the
ending, the aliens seem stuck on simply to make to ensure that
everyone knows that Alice will become the new 'Eve', but couldn't
the ending just be more open ended?
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From: guest (me)
, 146 months, post #2 |
Any review on the transformation itself?
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From: guest (guest)
, 146 months, post #3 |
It's a little too late to make the fixes you're proposing.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 146 months, post #4 |
After being disappointed in The Hit Girl and reading this 'review'
I'm gonna be really sad if Werewoman doesn't get financed. That
short has more of what I like to see in a TG movie.
BTW, how was the transformation in PA? Did they show arm and leg
hair shrink or fall out? I haven't seen that done since Dr. Jekel &
Ms. Hyde.
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From: guest (me)
, 146 months, post #5 |
yeah how is the transformation does he grow hips and butt, and arch
back do we see a full shot of the body transforming and how is the
breast growth please review!
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From: dis_guise
, 146 months, post #6 |
Why Europa? I thought than there was water ice in Saturn's rings.
Wouldn't that be easier to get, assuming that extraplanetary water
is the way to go? Also in some asteroids and comets.
Yes, as a Jovian moon it would be closer than Saturn, and escape
velocity is relatively low. Still...
I've avoided The Hunger Games entirely because the title implies a
highly unlikely situation...
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From: guest (guest)
, 146 months, post #7 |
Interesting and incorrect review. As if the reviewer didn't watch
parts of the movie. Some of the plot holes are wrong that the first
reviewer talks about. Also interesting to see the reviewer being
pro Hit Girl and Identity Theft. Pro James? I loved Paradox Alice.
Best TG TF movie I've ever seen. Identity Theft and Hit Girl are
poorly made YouTube trash from someone who believes he's a good
storyteller but not really.
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From: guest (guest2)
, 146 months, post #8 |
How can a review be "incorrect"? He's offering his opinion. And
when the hell did TG fandom devolve into PRO JAMES or PRO MAKO ? If
a movie is good then its good. If you're basing your opinion on the
artist and not the art then your priorities are backwards.
I'm with "Me". What about the transformation?
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From: guest (guest)
, 146 months, post #9 |
It's incorrect because as an example a "nuclear explosion" is not
what destroyed the Earth. so this person is making up shit. that's
why. And to bring up other people's movies is not review or critic
of one movie. It's a call out to those movies. I don't see other
movies mentioned in other reviews. This reviewer above is a plant
to discredit Mako.
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From: cj
, 146 months, post #10 |
Please 'correct' the review... by offering your own review of the
material. Vaguely stating that a review is "incorrect" without
offering details on how/why does not help us to properly form our
own opinions on the matter.
As for comparing one movie to another... it's done in reviews quite
often. For instance Caddyshack
vs Happy Gilmore
or PCU
vs Animal House
Please refrain from making this a Mako vs James thread. Both of
them are an asset to this community, and they each posses a unique
take on TG material. Be grateful that we have choices... and please
be respectful towards the opinions
of others.
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From: cj
, 146 months, post #11 |
"stating that a review is "incorrect" without offering details..."
... and I don't mean just one example.
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From: guest (Misleading Review)
, 146 months, post #12 |
cj - guest is correct - I'll give some examples that proves this
review is actually quite bad and biased -
7) Alex/Alice and Jim are supposed to be former soldiers but are
completely incompetent when trying to deal with O'Bryne.
False - Alex does his best to calm down O'Byrne in many scenes.
O'Byrne is a young and inexperienced astronaut. Alex clearly goes
out of his way to help him calm down. The scene where he give him
his hat and tells him it's okay. The scene where they talk in
Alex's room.
9) Aliens on Mars? That killed all of Jim's former crewmates? What
was that part of the story for? Something to do with the aliens
that suddenly appeared out of nowhere at the end of the movie? And
what kind of ending is that?
That didn't come out of no where - it was a used to help bon both
Grey and Female Alex. If the reviewer wasn't hung up on his own
bias and lack of storytelling ability he would have seen this is
how the two bond. It does also set up that there can be aliens in
the movie. This was smart groundwork laid down by Mako - unlike the
bias review that was given.
7) So Jim finds Alice and the two nearly sleep together. But no,
Jim says, this is ridiculous, we have to deal with O'Bryne first.
Finally, things are looking up! At least the movie is starting to
make some sense. Right? Oh. That didn't last long. Their plan is so
bad it is laughable. Let's hide Alice away somewhere in a vent
that's easily accessible. Oh, yeah, two of them forget that the
collar is radio controlled so can be used at a distance to find
Alice. And Jim goes searching for O'Bryne in the ship but is so
bloody incompetent he just wanders around the ship aimlessly,
failing to find O'Bryne so O'Bryne can find Alice first. Brilliant.
Again, couldn't they ask Red for help?
If the reviewer remembered (which he obviously did not) RED seems
to not be helping Grey at all. So why would Grey suddenly get help
from RED? That makes less sense than what the reviewer is stating.
4) Yes, its a TG clich�, but seriously, growing long hair when you
turn into a woman? Long NAILS?
Why is this comment even here? This is a bashing of all
"transformation" related shows, stories and ideas. This to be is
the most obvious problem with the reviewer in general. Really?
Where do you think you are? The majority of TF material has all of
the things you are bashing. And hence this does come across as a
personal negative review just to be negative to Mako. I agree with
Guest here.
5) Neither Jim or Alice are particular concerned when O'Bryne
starts acting weird and violent early in the movie.
FALSE again. Why does Grey try and strangle O"Byrne? Why does Alex
try and calm the young man down? The reviewer is reaching for
things that do not exist. This is hands down a really bad and
biased review. Feeding false ideas to people on this forum
8) The human race is going to be repopulated by a mother and her
babies (presumeably twins, one male and one female)? Great, incest.
How does the reviewer come to this conclusion? Because they are
making stuff up. How do we know the human race is supposed to be
repopulated by a mother and her babies? That story is never told
here. Again - be careful of this review - it's incredibly
MIS-LEADING.
What I find actually very amusing is to how this reviewer goes to
GREAT LENGTHS to be nit picky about LOGIC. When the movie is about
ALIENS and a GENDER TRANSFORMATION. Not sure the reviewer
understands what FICTION means. And to then bring up other movies
that also have major plot holes - huge logic issues - and
none-sensical storytelling and gender changes is mind baffling.
PARADOX ALICE is by no means a perfect film. I have my issues with
some of the events that happen in the movie. But wow... does this
ever seem like an attack more than a legit review. And so I want
everyone here including CJ know that some of these points made are
just misleading and false. I love what Mako and his people made.
It's hands down the most ambitious and fun TF TG indie movie made
to date. I'm glad I bought it and support them for all their hard
work.
Good job Mako. You made a fan out of me!!
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From: guest (psy_style)
, 146 months, post #13 |
big fan of all the work mako and james do. have very much enjoyed
all of their works including [paradox alice
agree with [misleading review that john from above does not paint a
clear picture of the movie and seems caught up in details he can't
either remember or can't connect himself because many of the issues
he brings up seemed addressed to me
what i do agree with is that [the last piece standing is still
mako's best. this would be my 2nd favorite of his. the sets alone
are remarkable. the actors are really good. the transformation is
fantastic. and i liked the story. in fact if you liked [project:
eden you can see the dna here in this movie of that.
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From: Mako
, 146 months, post #14 |
I appreciate the time, thought and effort put into any review - I
will say john (first time registered poster over on TGComics)
review itself is scattered with as many "holes" as he has claimed
are in the the movie. Like some peeps have mentioned - there are
answers and connections to many of the issues brought up in this
specific review above.
If someone doesn't like the movie because of the story, direction,
acting, production design, execution, that's one thing. Can't do
much about that. Everyone has a right to say what they like and
don't like. But this does not feel like a legit review and more
like fallacious propaganda towards PARADOX ALICE as the facts above
are often wrong. I've received messages from various people from
this forum and other sites who brought this to my attention that
they feel this review is not legit and - as the language and
examples of other movies are suspiciously used as "better examples
of movies".
Again - to all those whom have supported us and myself - I thank
you and can't wait to share even more new things on the horizon.
Including some very good news about the availability of PARADOX
ALICE in North America soon.
Cheers :)
- Mako -
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From: guest (Ray)
, 146 months, post #15 |
Thanks everyone for stepping in to help correct the review.
Everyone will get something different out of the move, just depends
on what details they choose to see. There is a lot going on in
Paradox Alice, you may need to watch it several times to see all
the details we put into it. Not quite sure how you are all watching
the movie but I can guarantee there is things you are missing if
your seeing an online version or dvd version. I wish I can get a
high quality version out there with all the extra features we have
created.
Please see it for yourself and don't judge it based on others
reviews. We understand that not everyone will be happy and that
some people will be uncomfortable, it makes Mako and I happy when
we hear that we have made something that has affected people in
some way,
Anyone see the references to The Last Piece Standing in the move?
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From: guest (Not a Bad Review)
, 145 months, post #16 |
This review is pretty accurate in a lot of the plot holes it brings
up. It doesn't matter if the logic in the movie doesn't work in
real life, but it does matter that it is internally consistent.
Maybe this reviewer was a little over-obsessed with the scientific
details, but I had some of the same thoughts at many points.
It is important that the characters in a film (or other media) act
in realistic ways based on their situation. Even if the story is
outlandish, you can still relate to people acting like real people
would. Each decision the character makes should feel like a natural
reaction, and the combination of these natural reactions should
combine over the film to produce the arc of the plot. Instead, in
Paradox Alice, it feels like the characters do what they must do so
that the plot can advance from A to B to C as it was outlined by
the writer. And mostly, it feels like the plot was laid out to
include all of the creator's desired TG elements.
Especially towards the end of the film, when the situation is
escalating, some of the decisions and reactions the characters made
were frustrating to me as a viewer, and did not seem to follow any
internal logic. It's hard for me to remember many specifics, but I
feel like the review at the top of this thread pointed out some
situations where the character's ignored obvious evidence or simply
made bad decisions that real people just wouldn't have made in that
scenario.
I want to make the comparison to the T-Rex scene in Jurassic Park.
When the T-Rex breaks through the fence and is walking between the
SUV's it doesn't notice them at all. This makes sense, why would it
notice the unmoving metal cars? Of course, if it had just walked on
past, we'd have missed out on one of the most famous scenes in
cinema.
Instead, the little girl turns on the big flashlight and waves it
through the window, attracting the Rex's attention. As an audience
member, you're screaming at this girl in your head, about how dumb
that flashlight is and how it's obviously putting her in danger. At
the same time, it makes sense in the logic of the film. She's a
scared young girl calling out for help. She makes a decision that,
while frustrating and dumb to us in the audience, feels like a
natural reaction for her character. This action by the character
leads to the famous scene and flows naturally. If the filmmaker had
been clumsier, and the T-Rex had walked right up and started
attacking the car it would have felt a little more rushed and
arbitrary. Again, why would a dinosaur bother with a hunk of metal?
The director/writers were deft enough to create an excuse for the
plot to go where they wanted that also felt like a realistic,
natural decision for the character to make. Everything has to start
with consistent characterization and motivation, or else you've got
an unengaging, Michael Bay-esque trudge through the plot, full of
sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Bay fans get their robots and explosions as the movie drags along,
we get our transformation, slow mental change, and finally
domination and acceptance. Great if that's what you're into, not a
fully-realized film that anyone can enjoy regardless of the genre.
I certainly enjoyed the movie for what it was, a fetish piece, but
I don't think it will hold any appeal or entertainment value to
those outside the community. And man, I agree the long hair/nails
conceit is silly and overplayed in TG. This community has a problem
with objectification that probably goes right to the root of the
fetish. Not accusing anyone in particular, I know I perpetuate the
problem as much as anyone who fantasizes about what amounts to
ultimate ownership of a woman's body.
I still appreciate the hard work and time put into it, and Mako
must have learned a lot from the experience, I expect a giant leap
in quality with his next production.
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From: guest (rush)
, 145 months, post #17 |
Good acting and dialogue always trump special effects. Of all the
TG projects on the horizon Werewoman seems to be the most
promising.
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From: guest (Chamorhyn)
, 137 months, post #18 |
The acting was engaging. I really liked the movie. Great low budget
film. I didn't understand why Alex became a punk after turning into
a woman... strong women can still have babies. Basically, having
Alex's personality alter so drastically was the foundation for the
other two characters to lose their grip. Being trained as a
military person doesn't vanish when you switch sexes and I know
plenty of women who are HOT and can kick butt. Other than that, I
think all the holes were tied rather well. I really didn't have any
questions at the end of the movie. I agree with the male to female
transformation though... if an accelerated transformation occurs as
it did in this film, it stands to reason that hair and nails would
grow as well. Just my sci/fi logic working here... hahahaha. At any
rate, if the writer had let the woman retain her knowledge as a
military trained individual, it would have changed the way the
other characters acted and responded... even as they all slipped
into their alien induced dementia ;) I really did like this film.
Keep em coming!
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From: guest (raaj)
, 135 months, post #19 |
Just saw an ad for Paradox Alice dvd with an April 1st release
date.
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From: guest (Just Me)
, 135 months, post #20 |
Am for now passing on purchasing more DVD's from Mako. This will be
the first I have not bought, have bought all the others and was
dissapointed. Appreciate the effort but do not enjoy the story
lines.
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