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From: guest (lasuvala)
, 183 months, post #341 |
If you create something and then see someone else using your
property, would you not be mad? The bottom line is that if you put
a torrent of the files up you are stealing the intellectual
property of the authors.
Some of the authors put as a disclaimer that their stories could be
posted to any free site. As s stretch, that could possibly include
a torrent.
Maybe you could put up posts asking author if they are ok with
their stories being in a torrent.
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From: guest
, 183 months, post #342 |
It doesn't really matter if they don't put a disclaimer. Unless
they gave someone else explicit rights to endless distribution,
they're assumed to have the right to control their work. Copyright
laws favor writers even if the writers themselves never put a
copyright symbol on their work or never state their intentions for
their work, and that certainly holds true in the U.S.
Using the word morality makes little sense; it's not like our heads
will explode if we find our TG stories at other sites instead.
Don't use this forum to justify distributing everyone's work
without their consent. I doubt anyone could stop you, that's just
the nature of the internet, but don't bother justifying yourself.
That said, many who turn these stories in know they will be
plagiarized or copied and are willing to live with that, so you
won't break everyone's heart, though you will alienate and hurt
many.
It's easier for some to pretend these stories were just made by
machines, instead of the work of writers. Choose respect for these
writers, if you can, and let them decide the fate of their work.
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From: guest (Concerned TG Citizen)
, 183 months, post #343 |
I wouldn't understand why authors wouldn't want to share their
stories to an open torrent considering fictionmania was a public
story site which aimed to please and to share their work with other
people. I don�t see the difference between sharing your work though
a torrent or a website other then having the file on your computer
(which is almost the exact same as saving the story for the site to
your computer). I respect writers (guilty of being one) but
seriously if they post it online on the internet (without
protection) its going to be spread no matter what the writer says
or does. It�s rude, yes, but that�s the cost of throwing something
to the world, you throw it to the good and bad. I�ll respect that
if they don�t want their work to be put on other sites, i wont save
it and post it somewhere else but people have to know that people
will do that no matter what. It�s naive to expect something like
that, but it�s also rude of us not to follow that. From my view
point, i think that if my stories, which i posted online, spread, i
would be joyed to know that people enjoy my writing and they might
give me their input so i could improve.
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From: guest (lasuvala)
, 183 months, post #344 |
What I was talking about is that there are stories that the author
said that the story could be posted as long as it was free. I don't
agree that a torrent should be put up of stories without permission
of the authors. Obviously a great number of people miss
fictionmania, me included, but posting stories that don't belong to
you is wrong. There are a number of stories that I would love to
have but not without knowing that I a getting them with the
author's permission.
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From: guest (guest from post 345)
, 183 months, post #345 |
The possibility of posting a torrent of the entire contents of
Fictionmania would be a good incentive to get the site back up and
running.
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From: guest
, 183 months, post #346 |
What's a torrent?
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From: guest
, 183 months, post #347 |
I think the basic point people were trying to make earlier in the
thread was that no outside incentive/pressures are going to it make
it come back up any sooner. There's a certain amount of work that
needs to be done to get it back up and outside influences aren't
going to affect that because it's time consuming work and they're
determined to do it right.
In other words it's gonna come back up when it does and that's
about it.
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From: guest (daw)
, 183 months, post #348 |
- 346
A torrent is a form of peer to peer file sharing that works
differently from limewire or kazaa.
go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.torrent
if you want to learn more
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From: Go0se
, 183 months, post #349 |
if only
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From: Go0se
, 183 months, post #350 |
I take it your not a regular guest 346?
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From: guest (JAFO The First)
, 183 months, post #351 |
Here's the problem I have with a torrent. Do you mean to tell me a
torrent poster is going to go through each and every one of the
thousands of stories Fictionmania has hosted to make sure there are
none which state Fictionmania and only Fictionmania can post them?
I know there weren't many, but they were there. What about those
which ask the poster get permission from the author before
reposting? There were more of this type, and the reason why authors
do this is to have some idea of -- and control over -- where their
stories are going.
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From: guest (p)
, 183 months, post #352 |
^^^
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From: guest
, 183 months, post #353 |
As an author of stories, I'd rather have my work out there than
shut off. It's not like I'm being paid for it, so who cares? Anyone
who gets their panties in a bunch (pun intended) over having an FM
torrent is just being overly melodramatic, but then, that's the
consistent theme that keeps destroying (or massively delaying)
sites in that 'community'. In other words: get over yourselves. :)
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From: MazterZephyr
, 183 months, post #354 |
As an author myself, I wouldn't want stuff I wrote to be
distributed anywhere I didn't explicitly say it could be. And the
fact is, as an author you have far fewer
rights when you're being paid for a work than not.
But then, I put a lot of effort into my writing, so I'm naturally
more protective of it.
I write genuine ideas, build solid characters, and develop complete
stories - which is more than I can say for the majority of the TF
fiction I've seen.
Consequently, I don't particularly miss FM at this point in time.
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From: guest (NamelessFairy)
, 183 months, post #355 |
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Message deleted by The Man. Im gonna step in on this one. They are copywrited to the authors. Not you. |
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From: guest
, 183 months, post #356 |
Mr. Daw (post 348) thank you for taking time to answer my question.
Mr Goose (post 350) No, I'm not a regular guest. How did you know?
If you are making fun of me, that's not very nice.
Mr Mazter Zephyr, you must be a really good author. How come I've
never heard of you?
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From: guest (daw)
, 183 months, post #357 |
(post 356) No problem
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From: MazterZephyr
, 183 months, post #358 |
Guest #356, the reason you've never heard of me is because I have
never published any of my works yet.
It's true I put a lot into my writing, but I am aware that I have
some problems with pacing and over-verbosity; I also have trouble
with unbalanced amounts of detail in my narration.
Until I can at least get a little more practice at these weak
spots, I'll be kind of wary about releasing anything to the general
public.
Also, genuine ideas and solid characters don't grow on trees...
when I finally stop practicing and write a real, full story, it
will probably be the length of a medium novel.
I've developed plenty of plot outlines and characters, I just need
to use them. The good thing about this is, even when I'm not
actually writing anything, I'm still coming up with ideas and
details that I can note down and add to the timelines of the
stories, so I'll hardly be starting from scratch.
Changing the subject:
I may have sounded a little harsh in my above post, as I often do
when I get onto this subject. I'd just like to clarify that I have
certainly read many well-thought-out, enjoyable, and original works
of fiction by many authors in many places, and I didn't intend to
disparage any of these authors, whom I have nothing but respect
for.
They're just... kind of a minority, that's all.
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From: Go0se
, 183 months, post #359 |
post #356/post #346
I was.
I'm not.
theres a torrent going with over 100gig of TG matials going. If you
use the program Utorrent you can even pick files some what to an
order you want. Many of witch I have rehosted with a number of my
own files on rapid share.
I would reqomend looking up torrents the looking trew the
"Fictionmania IRC forum"
http://fictionmania.xeraweb.com/forum/index.php
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From: Go0se
, 183 months, post #360 |
torrents. then*
and a number of other misspellings and gamirical murders.
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