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From: cj
, 100 months, post #21 |
Whoa!
Now my mind is like Schr�dinger's cat. :-P
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From: guest
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #23 | |
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #24 | |
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #25 |
"He attacked me!!"
He made allusions, and suppositions but did not resort to actual
name-calling... crap! I missed it... twice.
Sorry about that Jason.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #26 |
He called me an OCD troll who makes unrelated threads that don't
have anything to do with this site which is a complete lie. He also
insulted my intelligence, was
Rude and made false accusations. I think he needs his meds
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #27 |
Your "I think" opinion may have saved your post there... but we
really do need to move on and get back on to the topic of
discussing... in a civil manner, the Mandela Effect and how it
relates to this community and/or transformations.
Thank you.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #28 |
This thread was
Doing fine till that person came along and disrupted it. Some may
not believe in the Mandela effect because its beyond their
comprehension perhaps and that's fine. But they should still remain
civil and respect other
People's beliefs and opinions. Getting back to the Mandela effect
we all know that it was in fact the berenstein bears.
Granted this may be considered a small insignificant change by some
it implies there is Much more to This World then we previously
thought. There are many other changes that have been made in
popular culture
Such as the movie field of dreams where the voice says to Kevin
Costner "if you build it they will come"
Now it has been altered to "he will
Come" go on the clip of it on YouTube and look as the comments.
People started making comments of the change about 3 months ago.
Prior to that there was no mention of it. Same goes for the other
clips of the movies/shows in question. There is no way this is just
a coincidence or an issue of people just mistaken what they
remember to be true. It's just not possible. Now once you come to
the same conclusion I have you're left with one question. How and
why did it happen? And what else can
Happen in the future if anything
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #29 |
I've been looking into this for the past 2
Weeks now ever since I was
Made aware of it. How it ties into this community and forum is self
explanatory. I could write countless books about it. Imagine waking
up on another earth in a different body. An alternate version of
you. Possibly with a different ethnic background, race or gender.
Imagine in a parallel universe your sex chromosomes were different
at conception. Sounds pretty wild for sure. Just like that episode
of sliders where Quinn goes to a parallel universe and discovers
his other self is female. Or let's just say you stay here on our
earth but alterations were made in the same regard. Mandela died
twice according to some, hence the name mandela effect. Geography
has been been altered etc. so if those things are possible why
would a gender change or transformation not be? Think about it
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From: guest (A Wet Blanket)
, 100 months, post #30 |
This seems like such a strange idea to me, and it's so easy to
refute. I understand the concept; I just don't understand why
anyone would believe it. Oh God, I wish ir were true, and I could
wake up in a reality where I'd been born a woman; it's just plainly
obvious to me that the Mandela effect has to do with glitches in
people's memories, not glitches in reality. I doubt I'm going to
change Jason's mind, though, and I know he won't change mine, so I
think it's best I step out of this thread.
I do think it relates to the topic of this website. As Jason points
out, it's a wonderful vehicle for a transformation story, and I'd
love to see some TG stories written on this theme.
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From: guest (Honest Abe)
, 100 months, post #31 |
Jason, the Field of Dreams quote is an easily made mistake because
during the 90s "if you build it they will come" was used in
commercials. It was a change of the actual quote. In the movie it
has always been "if you build it he will come". How do I know this
for a FACT? I know this because the entire damn point of the movie
was Costner building the field so he could see his father again!
Thus "he will come." Tell me, in your reality did that movie make
no sense? Because if your version of the quote was indeed real,
then the entire narrative and emotional arc of that film makes not
a lick of sense.
Movie quotes get altered all the time by time and public mistakes.
Like Casablanca, the line everyone remembers is "Play it again,
Sam" but the actual quote is "You played it for her, play it for
me!" It's not a supernatural mystery, but somehow millions of
people believe the incorrect line.
The problem with arguing about this Mandela Effect with people who
believe it is that no matter how much evidence to the contrary you
present, believers seem ignore it and just respond "nuh uh, I KNOW
I'm right!"
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From: guest (kltpzyxm)
, 100 months, post #32 |
Thank you A Wet Blanket. Thank you Honest Abe. The protagonist of
Field of Dreams has a case of prophecy twist
(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProphecyTwist), he
thinks that "if you build it he will come" refers to Shoeless Joe,
what is right in some way, but in the end is his own father. As
Honest Abe said, the movie makes no sense with "if you build it
they will come".
One more thing: I remember Mandela NOT dying in prison.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #33 |
See that's where I have to disagree honest Abe. That quote "if you
build it he will come" was never in the original movie. And I've
looked at it from the angle your speaking of and I as many other
people have already ruled that out as a possibility. The phrase "if
you build it they will come is still around in popular culture and
I knew somebody would make the same claim you have made because of
it. The fact is that either one could could actually work for the
movie as "he" referes to his father but "they" referes to the whole
team. In my reality/timeline what ever you want to call it
It was definitely "they" I'm positive of this 100% as are a lot of
other people. Like I said go look at the comments of ALL the videos
on YouTube for that scene. It's impossible for people who are fans
of that movie and have actually seen it in recent years and know
how it's supposed to be to all be wrong about it and blame it on
false memories. That's virtually impossible actually. Like I said
just go look at the comments. Then try to say its due to flawed
memory
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From: guest (That Guy)
, 100 months, post #34 |
Gotta go with Honest Abe on this one. The entire point of the movie
was that HE would come, i.e., his father. Anyway, that's how I
remember it. Some confusion is understandable given the commercials
Abe referred to and Darth Vader's speech about how "they will come,
Ray" meaning people, could also influence memories.
(probably shouldn't have mentioned Darth, now people will remember
that Darth Vader is Ray's father.)
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #35 |
Funny you mention about Darth Vader though. In some people's
timeline he said "no Luke, I am your father" but now he says "no, I
am your father. Just throwing that out there lol.
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From: guest (Honest Abe)
, 100 months, post #36 |
So in your reality things don't make cogent sense at all--got it.
Dude, for real, post the url for this Field of Dreams video. You
can keep telling me that three months ago people started making
this claim but how the hell do I know that this video wasn't posted
three months ago! The film is not about him finding the team, it's
about him finding his father--again, that's the entire narrative
and emotional arc of that film. If your quote was the actual quote
it wouldn't make sense. Full stop.
And for the record, you are aware that the term 'Mandela Effect'
was coined like six years before the Large Hadron Collider went
online, right? How do you reconcile that fact? Or is it another
part of reality that you hand wave away in order to fit your
conspiracy theory?
Movie quotes are often misremembered--you convienently ignored my
Casablanca reference. For example.
How is it somehow more reasonable that different realities are
bleeding into one another than people just misremembering things?
Full disclosure, I always thought it was the Berenstein Bears, but
that's because I read those books like 30 years ago and human
memory is indeed fallible.
But whatever, like I said, it's impossible to rationalize with
believers of this so called 'effect' because whatever rational
evidence we provide, you will just collectively plug your ears and
say 'nuh uh'. Nothing you've said proves this theory and as we live
in reality, the burden of proof is on you. You need to have
something more than a group of people on the internet collective
misremembering something and creating an echo chamber for me to
believe.
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From: guest
, 100 months, post #37 |
I remember someone pointing out the Field of Dreams issue more than
3 years ago and people started saying "Beam me up, Scotty" when it
became a bumper sticker forever ago.
We know of tons of real world and clinical examples of false
memories and the limits, biases and tendencies of memory to work in
certain ways. Just a couple weeks ago I watched Dawkins speaking
about how he had had a false memory of a quote from a public debate
where Christopher Hitchens responded to someone when he had in fact
been responding to someone else. Dawkins found two other people who
told him their memory matched his. If you viewed the actual debate
you could understand why in that particular context people would
have remembered incorrectly and have made the same mistake.
A Hadron collider smashes two lousy particles together to break
them apart in an isolated environment so humans can observe them.
There are other parts of the universe where this can happen but
which we can't directly observe. Those don't change movies or books
either.
Magical thinking is not something that drives someone towards an
unbiased desire to know the truth whatever it might be. It's
something where a person wants
to believe a certain (often simple and fantastic) explanation and
will only accept arguments--however fallacious--that corroborate
it.
Use Occam's Razor here. What's more likely: sub-atomic particles
doing nothing unique are changing reality such that lines in movies
are being altered but only in some people's memories...or that
memory--which we know
is faulty is faulty?
If memory is immune to reality (and whatever changes are being made
to reality), that's not the best testament to the reliability of
memory.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #38 |
Honest Abe the video for fed of dreams was listed years ago. I
shouldn't have to provide a link as its something you can obviously
verify yourself just by going to YouTube and typing in "Field of
dreams if you build it. That as simple as it gets go on their now
and look at those videos and then tell me ALL those people just
have bad memories. Like I said its IMPOSIBLE! You literally have
better odds at winning the powerball then this phenomenon just
happening by chance and ALL these people just happening to be that
forgetful
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From: guest (A Wet Blanket)
, 100 months, post #39 |
Okay, I said I was going to leave the conversation, but I have more
to say, lol
Here's a quick video that explains some important points about how
memory works. It's not specifically about memories changing over
time, but it does briefly explain WHY memories change over time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89shevn24L8
(By the way, I remembered this video series as How Stuff Works, but
it's actually AsapSCIENCE; How Stuff Works is another video series.
And when I typed that previous sentence, I typed it as ASAPScience,
but it's AsapSCIENCE. Mandala Effect, or do I just have an
imperfect memory?)
People think that memories work like a filing cabinet. We think we
store our memories away, and that we can return to them two, five,
ten, twenty years later, and they'll still be there, completely
unaltered and in perfect detail. But that's not how memory works.
Every time we remember something, we actually create that memory
anew. It's not like a YouTube video, where you can just pull the
memory up and "watch" it. It's like if YouTube videos could only be
watched once, and every time you watched a video, you had to
re-film the video and upload it again so the next person can watch
it. And because we recreate our memories every time we remember
them, they change a little every time we remember them. Just like,
if you had to re-film a YouTube video each time you watched it, the
version you created would not be exactly like the version you
watched, frame-by-frame.
In most, or maybe all, of the examples people give of the Mandela
effect, there's a specific reason why a lot of people misremember
that example in exactly the same way. I've already explained why
people remember "Berenstain" as "Berenstein" and "Interview With
the Vampire" as "Interview With the Vampire".
Honest Abe explained why there's confusion over the quote from
Field of Dreams: In the commercials, the line was presented as
"THEY will come", even though it's "HE" in the actual movie.
Because people saw the commercial over and over again but probably
only saw the movie once or twice in the theaters, the line was
cemented in pop culture as "they" from the very beginning. So
that's what people remember.
Casablanca came out decades before VHS, and The Empire Strikes Back
came out before VHS was common, so people weren't able to just take
those two movies off the shelf and watch them any time they wanted.
But each of them had an extremely famous quote. Famous quotations
are memes; people have been quoting Darth Vader's favorite line
left and right for 35 years now. But because VHS wasn't readily
available when the movie first came out, much less YouTube videos,
people wouldn't have been able to watch the movie over and over
again at their leisure, so their memories of the line would have
been a little fuzzy. Most of the people who quoted Darth Vader in
the first few years after it came out would have only seen the
movie once or twice, so they wouldn't have had the line perfectly
memorized. And besides, "Luke, I am your father" is much catchier
than "No, I am your father", and the "Luke" version tells people
you're talking about Star Wars while the other version wouldn't. So
people would have been quoting the line imperfectly, and maybe they
threw in the "Luke" to add context. And any movie or TV show that
quoted the line probably would have used the "Luke" version because
it would have been more clear what they were referencing. And
anyone with a friend named Luke would have said, "Luke, I am your
father" at least once. And people who had never even seen The
Empire Strikes Back would have been hearing the "Luke" version of
the line and repeating that version instead of the original. And so
the line that came down in pop culture, the one we've all heard
hundreds if not thousands of times, is "Luke, I am your father".
This site list a bunch of examples of the Mandela effect; there are
several cases in which people have misremembered the spelling of
someone's name. In almost every case, it's a name that is spelled
in an unusual way, and people are remembering the more common
spelling, which is perfectly understandable. People remember
"Berenstein" instead of "Berenstain". "Barbara Streisand" instead
of "Barbra Streisand". "Charles Schultz" instead of "Charles
Schulz". "Kathy Lee Gifford" instead of "Kathie Lee Gifford". "Rod
Sterling" instead of "Rod Serling". "Cruella DeVille" instead of
"Cruella DeVil". "Oscar Mayer" instead of "Oscar Meyer".
One of the more popular Mandela effects is remembering a painting
of Henry VIII with a turkey leg. The painting people are
remembering exists, but it doesn't have a turkey leg. But there are
many, many more recent portrayals of Henry VIII holding a turkey
leg, especially in cartoons. We remember Henry VIII as a
gluttonous, drunken lout who sings songs about himself, so of
course someone like that would be holding a turkey leg; that's
probably why he's shown with a turkey leg so often in pop culture,
and why that image sticks with us. So we get our memories mixed up
and insert a turkey leg into the original painting.
Some people remember the United States having 52 states. They're
counting the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, and also getting
the number mixed up with 52 cards in a deck and 52 weeks in a year.
This is a more common mistake among non-Americans, who aren't
regularly reminded that there are 50 states, but know there's
around 50ish. After all, if someone asked me, as an American, how
many provinces and territories there are in Canada, I wouldn't
know, but I do know that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of ten.
(In fact, it's 13.)
I could go on, but I've already gone on long enough. Take any
example of the Mandala effect, and it's easy to find a reason why
so many people misremember it in the same way. You don't have to
resort to exotic pseudoscientific explanations about reality
shifts.
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From: guest
, 100 months, post #40 |
Here's another video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvOMt34hAo
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