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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #1 |
The Mandela effect is the closest thing I've seen in real life that
can cause reality to be altered. A lot of strange things have been
happening in the world over the last 15 years. From books and
movies being altered to geographic locations being moved or
completely disappearing/reappearing. The movie interview with a
vampire now has "the" in place of where the "a" used to be. Their
not sure how this happened but some believe it to be caused by the
large hadron collider being used to do experiments with parallel
worlds, black holes etc. one woman claims to be from another
dimension and she switched bodies from her original self in a
parallel universe to her mirror self here in ours. If this is true
in another universe you could be the opposite gender even and wake
up one day in that dimension. Look up the Mandela effect for me
information. It'll blow your mind
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From: guest (set3)
, 100 months, post #2 |
This has nothing to do with this site but, another example is the
child's book that's titled "Berenstain Bears" where nearly everyone
swears was spelt "Berenstien Bears".
I also fall into this category. I truly believe that it was
originally spelt Berenstien but can't find any examples from books
to the cartoon. It's weird.
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #3 |
Ditto that. I know somewhere in my vast messes of storage, I may
have one of those BB books.
But it is related
to transformations... kinda' - and probably of interest to some
here (actually find the concept a bit intriguing myself).
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #4 |
Yes is has a lot to do with this site. And it most certainly was
berenstein. I remember it vividly as a kid ready the books and
watching the shows. Some people believe the alteration occurred
some time in 2001. I do believe C.E.R.N had something do to with.
The author who's name is berenstAin now claims its always been with
an A but that's simply not true. At least not in our
universe/dimension. This is a real phenomenon and this year they
will be starting more tests with the hadron collider. Don't be
surprised to if you see more changes in our reality. This isn't
just limited to changes in popular culture like the berenstein
bears or interveiw with a vampire. Even geographic locations have
not only moved but completely disappeared. Ever since learning g
about all this I've considered writing some tg fiction in relation
to it. With the body switching possibility I suggested can happen
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #5 |
Also cj if you do have one of the books, even if its an original
from the 70s they will now be berenstain. If you go on YouTube and
view one of the shows then look at the comments section you'll see
a lot of people are just in shock and awe that the title is
different now
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 100 months, post #6 |
I've heard of this. This is odd news.
I also read somewhere that experiments have been done with another
universe but I don't remember the specifics. Just that something,
like a wavelength or a small signal, was sent over to an alternate
universe.
Humorously enough, one person said that maybe these "changes" are
just facts that most people find ambiguous enough and that maybe
people would rather create an entire theory about it than accept
that they were wrong about something. hah
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From: guest (Flens)
, 100 months, post #7 |
Never heard of this and I find this a very interesting idea. Again,
learned something new. But frankly speaking I don�t believe that
this "effect" is really existing. There is not even a wikipedia
article :-) Maybe it is because I have never heard of this
Berenstain/ Berenstien/ Berenstein series - I am not American . I
can remember when Mandela was released from prison. I was a child
at that time and I found it curious and sad that a (innocent) man
was in prison for such a long time.
Till now I have never heard of a scientific empiric proof of the
concept of an alternate reality/ universe or a Multiversum.
I am not really sure that an alternate reality is existing. But
this is my personal opinion. In my eyes these are only theories to
explain a not fully understand concept of universe and to put
Einstein�s relativity theories in a more or less probable concept
of what is supposed to be known.
Nonetheless, I think this concept is a good material for creating
tf stories or plots with a mystery touch.
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From: guest (Guestimation)
, 100 months, post #8 |
Interesting theory, but nonsense, in my opinion. If reality has
"changed", in these instances, how could anybody recall how these
"changed" things originally were, as their alterations would
include their history as such? Sounds like something only someone
standing *outside* of our reality/universe could observe/perceive,
if that itself were even possible.
I love this sort of stuff (in fiction), but the skeptic in me
thinks that our world, for all its wonders, is a lot more mundane
than such colorful theories (the Mandela Effect, the Singularity,
etc) would suggest.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #9 |
This is a real phenomena and does effect us all. If you don't
believe it that's because it hasn't effected you on the level it's
effected others. Possibly because you're either too young to
remember these things as they really were or you just simply didn't
care enough to remember them and now accept them as they now appear
to be. Keep your eyes open for any types of changes in the future
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From: guest (Summat)
, 100 months, post #10 |
Gonna be a buzzkill for a moment: It could very well be that the
Mandela Effect symptoms are actually just really easy mistakes to
make. After all, '-stein' is a more plausible end to a surname than
'-stain'. The more mundane explanation is that all these people
have made the mistake and gone "Am I misremembering? No, it's the
universe that's wrong."
Still, alternate universes are also an option, and a far more fun
option at that. The way I see it, if there isn't cast-iron evidence
for it, then at the end of the day, it's all just stories, and
stories can mean whatever you want them to mean.
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From: guest (flip_flop_fly)
, 100 months, post #11 |
The effect is real, people.
Just last week, I ordered a Quarter Pounder with cheese at
McDonald's drive-thru, and from the time I received my order to the
time that I opened up the Quarter Pounder box, the cheese had
completely disappeared. No trace of it. Almost as if it had never
been on my burger, which is impossible, of course. As we all know,
McDonald's employees never make mistakes, so, obviously, the cheese
was on there at one time and somehow ceased to exist.
Also, it used to be that people were able to converse face-to-face,
and experience moments in their lives by using their senses and
synthesizing that with their thoughts, feelings, and prior
experiences. And today, a screen of some sort must do all of that
for them. I'm telling you, that effect is weird, man.
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From: guest
, 100 months, post #12 |
I'm in my 50s and I can only recall -stain. Always thought it
bizarre and kept coming up with mocking names involving sex or
human waste, and wondering why whether that was their own actual
name or not, the creators opened themselves up to such jokes.
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From: guest (A Wet Blanket)
, 100 months, post #13 |
I'd never heard of this. It's certainly interesting, and it I agree
that it would make for a great story; I kind of want to write a
story based on this idea now. But I'm pretty sure it isn't real.
There are two things about the human brain that you need to
realize. One, memories are highly changeable. We think
instinctively that, when something happens to us, we store it away
in perfect detail and can recall it accurately later, but that's
not the case at all. We forget details. We insert new details. We
get memories mixed up. Our memories are reshaped by our
experiences. There have been reams and reams of published,
peer-reviewed studies showing how unstable and inaccurate our
memories are. Read up on confabulation.
The other important concept here is cognitive dissonance. We don't
like it when we're presented with facts or experiences that
contradict our beliefs. You believe that Nelson Mandela died in
prison in the 1980s. Then you read in 2013 that he's just died. But
you VERY CLEARLY remember him having died 30 years before. You have
to reconcile those two facts somehow.
Normally you'd accept that you were wrong, the historical record is
correct, you have an imperfect memory, and you move on. But some
people have apparently decided that, no, they're right, the
historical record is wrong, and reality has been altered through
some extraordinary means. And because this is in the internet,
these people have come together and shared their experiences
together and that's reinforced their belief that reality has
somehow been altered.
As Summat says, many of the items that believers in the Mandela
Effect point to as proof are easy mistakes to make. Like he points
out, it's much more common for a surname to end in "-stein" than
"-stain". I can't think of any name besides "Berenstain" that ends
in "-stain". So someone sees "BerenSTAIN", doesn't look closely,
and reads it as "BerenSTEIN", because that's what they expect the
name to be. And maybe the people around you make the same mistake.
So you grow up calling them the "BerenSTEIN Bears". Or maybe you
called them the "BerenSTAIN Bears" as a kid, but you haven't
thought about those books in years, and in the intervening time,
you've met a lot of "-steins" and no "-stains". All of those
"-steins" overshadow that one "-stain", and you come to remember
the name as "BerenSTEIN".
For what it's worth, I remember them as the "BerenSTAIN Bears". So
does my sister, who's several years older than me.
Or take "Interview with the Vampire". I remember this one as "A
Vampire", and I was surprised, when I read this thread, to learn
that it was actually "THE Vampire". But I don't think that reality
has been altered; I think I had the title incorrect. It's easy to
explain how this happened, too. "Interview with the Vampire" was a
big pop culture phenomenon when it first game out, and there was a
lot of buzz around it. A lot of people probably discussed it
without actually looking closely at the title. "with the" sounds a
lot like "with a" when it's spoken aloud. So people heard their
friends talking about "Interview with THE Vampire", and they heard
it as "Interview with A Vampire". So they talk to their friend
about "Interview with A Vampire", and the next person talks to
another friend about "Interview with A Vampire", and suddenly most
people think it's "A Vampire", not "THE Vampire".
It's like a game of Telephone. One kid whispers "Four score and
seven years ago" to another kid, and the second kid whispers it to
a third kid, and by the time it's reached the tenth kid in line,
it's become "Purple monkey dishwasher". Reality hasn't shifted
between the time the first kid spoke and the time the tenth kid got
the message. The kids just misheard, miscommunicated, and
misremembered, and the message changed a little bit at a time.
Or take Sri Lanka. A lot of people apparently think Sri Lanka has
moved. But no one thinks it's moved very much. Sri Lanka is located
to the southeast of the tip of India. But a lot of people think
it's due south from the tip of India, or slightly to the southwest.
Most people,when they learn where Sri Lanka is, probably don't
think precisely, "okay, Sri Lanka is southeast of the tip of
India". They think "Sri Lanka is south of India". And thus some
people remember it being in a SLIGHTLY different location than
where it actually is.
Given each of these mistakes, no one, in isolation, would believe
reality had been altered. Not if they were of sound mind. Most
people would simply understand that they were mistaken. But because
the internet allows large numbers of people to share ideas, a bunch
of people have gotten together and shared all these little glitches
in their memories, and they've thrown in a little quantum physics,
and they've come to the conclusion that, omg, we're not wrong! It's
reality that's wrong!
People misremember quotes all the time. In some versions of "A
Christmas Carol", Tiny Tim says "God bless us every one," and in
others, he says "God bless us all every one". Lots of people think
Hamlet said "Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well," when in fact he
said "Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him, Horatio." There are extant
movies with both versions of Tiny Tim's line, and extant
discussions of Hamlet's quote, from well before 2001 or the Large
Hadron Collider.
Why is it all these random little shared knowledge things that
exist at the edges of people's consciousness that people think have
changed? Why haven't there been big changes in people's personal
lives? Why aren't we hearing lots and lots of stories from people
who've woken up to find that they aren't married anymore, or that
they live in a different house, or, yeah, that they've changed sex
overnight? Or why haven't any more prominent bis of shared
knowledge, things people think about all the time, changed? Why
hasn't reality changed so that Al Gore became president in 2000
instead of George W. Bush? Why hasn't Mickey Mouse become Mickey
Squirrel? Why isn't London in France now?
And why aren't people's memories of "the way things were before"
consistent? Why do some people think New Zealand used to be
northeast of Australia, some people think it used to be north of
Australia, and some people think it used to be west of Australia?
Why do some people think there used to be 51 states and some people
think there used to be 52? If reality, or the matrix,or whatever,
has reality been altered, then people's memories would be
consistent with each other.
Occam's razor. The simplest answer is probably the correct one.
It's easy to explain people's memory discrepancies by pointing out
that memory is faulty and highly changeable and that there are
certain common mistakes people make. We don't need to come up with
an elaborate theory involving particle accelerators and parallel
worlds and body switching to explain why people think it's
"BerenSTEIN" instead of "BerenSTAIN".
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From: guest (A Wet Blanket)
, 100 months, post #14 |
btw, I'm not saying alternate realities aren't real. There's a very
real possibility that we live in an infinite multiverse. But it's a
very different thing to say that history can change within a
reality, or that people can switch bodies with their counterpart in
an alternate reality.
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From: DB Cooper
, 100 months, post #15 |
Wife: The Berstein Bears...
Me: Beerenstain Bears. They're not Jewish.
Wife: How do you know?
Me: Because they celebrate Easter.
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From: guest (A Wet Blanket)
, 100 months, post #16 |
Actually, that brings up a point, DB Cooper. People could easily be
conflating "Berenstain" with "Bernstein", as in Leonard Bernstein.
That's an even more specific explanation for why so many people
remember "Berenstain" as "Berenstein".
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 100 months, post #17 |
And now for a game of "Spot the Agent with an agenda."
Hah, just kidding Wet Blanket. You explained that very well. I'm
not sure if our memories are actually altered or not over time
though, or if it is just our conscious perception of them. There
have also been hypnotists and therapists who could make a person
remember things that they never could have by conventional means.
There must be a separate memory system for the unconscious mind
because the details are all stored somewhere. They get
misinterpreted by a conscious mind that is constantly trying to
over think.
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From: guest (Jason)
, 100 months, post #18 |
Anyone saying this is just people having bad memories about
berenstein and interview with a vampire, you're wrong. I as well as
everyone else who grew up with these things knows how they were
spelled. So this is not a case of mass misremembering of
things/events. Something caused these things to be altered from how
they were to what they are now. As to what it was that made them
change is the real
Question. Right now all the evidence points to C.E.R.N
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From: cj
, 100 months, post #19 |
Theories don't deal with defining absolutes... they deal with
testing facts and proving absolutely.
Therefore, while some can argue that the Mandela Effect (or even
Jason) are incorrect; and Jason could argue that the non-believers
are also incorrect... until we (humans) have proven the effect as
true or false... both options are plausible.
Let's not get too uptight about differing opinions yet.
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 100 months, post #20 |
You could say, CJ, that until it is proven one way or another both
theories are definitely correct.
It's like Schrodinger's cat.
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