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From: f2flover
, 101 months, post #21 |
Message deleted by cj. Off-topic - While I understand your frustration, the post or two (out of 20) to which you refer were on-topic... albeit, I can certainly see your perspective on those posts now that you've mentioned it. Still, they appear to be more a reflection of the posters' views than either ignorant or hateful. Please feel free to post again WITH REGARD TO THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. |
From: guest
, 101 months, post #22 |
Well I think I like women to dress girly because I have a leg and
feet fetish. It's more about that than gender roles and all the
other PC bullshite. I like legs and feet so of course I'm going to
like it when women show them off. They can't really show them off
in pants and leggings(leggings are pants).
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 101 months, post #23 |
I doubt it. It's just that the political scene is becoming "rich"
with all kinds of new ideas and craziness that they want to try to
be "edgy and different."
I swear, they'll spin circles around anything to make it seem like
something else. Then there's also the insane third (or is it
fourth?) wave feminism which I will not even get into here.
The feminine women still exist and always will. Many women feel the
need to look beautiful and appeal to men or show off in front of
other women.
The ones that don't just don't, and that's cool too. Nothing is
really changing, they just want to make it seem that way to give
the illusion that there's this magical force of political power
that's been repressing women and now they can be who they've always
been.
(Which I guess is sorta true in some ways but not as exaggerated as
some would have you think).
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From: guest
, 101 months, post #24 |
It's not about repressing women, it's about repressing the
individual. It isn't that feminism and masculinity are on the
decline, it's that bullying is no longer tolerated as it used to
be.
50 years ago a woman HAD to be married with kids by the age of 20
or she was passed it, heck in the worst cases she was locked up in
a workhouse, convent or worse and told she was sick, crazy or evil.
But that's an extreme, the truth is that things are still far from
perfect. Schools still tell girls they can't be scientists or
engineers, boys are still told they can't wear skirts to class or
makeup. We still have people's desires squashed and put down.
Sure some guys are "masculine" and some some women "feminine" but
it's not even close to the numbers that history suggests. I'd argue
that "masculine" men are in the "minority" today just as "feminine"
women "are", that is to say that religion is thankfully on the
decline in the west as are republicans and conservative values. No
longer are men expect to work hard and support a family, no longer
are women expect to look good, get married and pop out children on
demand. It's a good thing.
The trouble is that when people see the "decline" of "femininity"
as a bad thing it makes me groan. I spend my days telling parents
and teacher off for telling their kids what to be and discouraging
them from following their desires. If a young woman wants to dress
in scruffy jeans and a jumper and build robots and do math, then
thank god for change, because she may well go on to change the
world. That is if society doesn't get her to swap her textbooks for
makeup and her career for a husband.
Anyway I'll end it there, I didn't realise I'd upset people, I just
wanted to vent my views after a long day trying to change the
world.
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From: guest (Watcher)
, 101 months, post #25 |
Hope you feel better, but none of that has anything to do with
femininity.
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 101 months, post #26 |
I think in order to believe that you have to be from one of those
states or cities where the government was actually ran by radical
Christians, somewhere in the bible belt.
Generally it's not like that and for the most part no school is
actually telling a girl that she can't be an engineer or a boy that
he can't wear makeup. That would be absurd and a violation of
people's rights.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you're making it sound like
it's the standard for school systems and it's not.
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From: Forestier
, 101 months, post #27 |
It comes back to the initial question: what is feminity?
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From: guest (Nintendo_Ninja)
, 101 months, post #28 |
It goes both ways: my sister wants nothing more then to be a house
wife, keeping the house clean, taking care of the kid, that sort of
stuff while her husband brings home the paycheck. But she's always
harassed by her "friends" and people on the internet, with them
saying things like "you needs to get a job" and it's wrong to have
a man support her.
It all comes down to respect. As long as a person isn't a danger to
others, let them live their lives as they wish to.
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From: cj
, 101 months, post #29 |
Well non-harm, and an informed decision. If they are aware of
alternative options, and the pro's and con's of their choice (well,
as best they can be described)... then yes, let them be.
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From: guest
, 86 months, post #30 |
People like OP always make me laugh.
Why want to complain about the decline of femininity in women?
Maybe guys can step up and take the role to be more feminine...
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From: guest (jill)
, 86 months, post #31 |
what about in style of clothes and such? In general in the US our
society is a lot lazier then it use to be. So throwing something
quick and easy on rather then taking the time to dress up as they
always did back in the day is something of the norm now even for
guys. Then the clothing itself being styled in a way that doesn't
suit the stereotypical female clothes, like flannel shirts made for
women.
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From: guest (Luv_To_Switch_Bods)
, 86 months, post #32 |
Unfortunately femininity in females is on the decline
in our society. My daughter is in high school and we
some of her female classmates physically fight with
each other more than the boys do. Also, I've never
seen girls curse so much. When I was in school,
a girl would never talk using words like that.
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From: guest (Luv_To_Switch_Bods)
, 86 months, post #33 |
Sorry for the type o "We"
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From: guest (Kara)
, 86 months, post #34 |
It's not so much on the decline as its parameters are shifting.
What it means to be "feminine" tends to be defined by the majority
of society. However, more women are rejecting that definition and
stressing individual expression over conformity which moves the
trend in another direction.
There are still many women who like to look and act feminine as men
define it though.
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From: guest
, 86 months, post #35 |
What's quite funny is how often I am getting dressed or something
and my daughter, in a "eeeeww" tone of voice, says, "Geez, mom...
you're so girly!" We've discussed it and, while she knows there are
lots of girly-girls at her school, she is not one of them, and
doesn't understand them at all.
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From: guest (Pat)
, 86 months, post #36 |
I find it discomforting to see a bunch of guys discuss what defines
a woman and how women should act.
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From: guest (guest)
, 86 months, post #37 |
I find it discomforting that your a faggott.
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From: guest (Bud)
, 86 months, post #38 |
Oh no, better check your privilege. If you're a guy and giving your
opinion on this matter, your opinion is less than the opinion of a
woman.
I don't care if people love or hate this opinion but it's just my
opinion. Personally, I like women to be feminine because that's
what makes men and women are different. Men are masculine and women
are feminine. I like women that wear makeup but not tons of it and
like to dress girly and nice. And yes, I like it when women wear
skirts and dresses and pantyhose and heels and "girly" things. I
like legs and feet so of course I'm gonna like it when women wear
show off their legs.
Am I demanding or forcing that any or every woman dress up girly
and wear skirts and dresses and makeup? No. I simply saying that's
what I like. Everyone has a preference.
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From: guest
, 86 months, post #39 |
Pat... sorry that you find it discomforting. Best stop reading
then. Wouldn't want you to be traumatized.
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From: guest (feminist)
, 86 months, post #40 |
typical male chauvinist pig...
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