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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #401 |
... and there it is!
400 posts! We did it everyone!
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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #402 |
OK, now that shouldn't have happened. Right to answer what was
raised in 400, going by public health principles, individuals can
be hard to predict but groups not so much.
If the situation arose where people's bodies could be changed like
this (and back) as is often seen in sci-fi being one example - see
Iain Banks and his Culture novels, even if the proportions are
things I couldn't tell you exactly, this would definitely happen.
At least in the early period of time (up to years) and just looking
at men to start with:
Majority of men wouldn't do it.
Some would (and this percentage will go up over time).
Of those:
Majority of those would try it and change back.
Second largest group would try it long term and change back at some
point in the future.
Smaller group would actually never change back but end up in
relationships with women
Smaller group again but there would be some who never change back
and end up in relationships with men
About options 3 and 4, even though undoubtedly there would be
transgender people in those groups (let's say 99+% do either of
these), I bet you, because as a group in being so much larger, even
though the proportion would be so much less, the larger amount in
absolute terms would have been cisgender heterosexual men who
otherwise wouldn't have done it had it not been so easy.
So have the situation in the future were this theoretical process
to come to pass that the largest group by absolute numbers of
transwomen were cisgender heterosexual men originally including
some now transwomen in heterosexual relationships. I guarantee at
least a few people would end up in that demographic.
Definitions of gender would definitely get very scrambled. As would
the language. As it is, I agree using the phrase "used to be a man"
is offensive but in this future were it to come to pass, there
would be people who'd admit it was true, had it not been so easy to
do, they would never have thought to try it and even if it's a
small minority, due to a variety of circumstances, at least a few
would come to prefer it.
Like I said, you probably would get the seemingly ridiculous to
today scenario of the number of transgender people are a minority
of the people who've changed biological sex.
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From: guest
, 92 months, post #403 |
I dunno, it assumes changing img genders wouldn't change a persons
mind, I don't think sexual preference is some magical otherworldly
thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's something that is
sworn get or needs curing, it's as much a part of being you as the
rest of your personality. But I do think it could be changed as
unethical as that might be, people with serious brain injuries have
had their personalities changed as well as the effects of an ageing
brain.
So I honestly believe as a scientist, that if you were to change a
persons biological makeup that you would change their sexuality, as
well as their whole personality, in the process... Not a planned
change granted, and not one to gender normative, gay men would be
as likely to become lesbians as they would to become straight
women.
Now would personality death be something that puts people off of a
full genetic transformation? I don't know, it's all still fiction.
But I do think that should a full biological transformation ever be
possible, that personality death to some degree would be
unavoidable. On that note I remain confident that we cannot know if
a person would want to change back if their gender were changed.
Please note that I'm not saying anyone is wrong, how can they be,
it's all fiction, I enjoy reading people's opinions on the matter
just as much as I like sharing my own, so thanks for debating it :)
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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #404 |
There's so many people in the world that chances are, think of a
scenario and there's someone out there who fits what you described.
I think we're learning that even gender (as opposed to biological
sex) is a bit more malleable than we think (prepare for anecdotes
aplenty). The implication I get from some writing on the subject is
that there's the view in some quarters that there's still two
genders, male and female - it's just that a minority don't have
their biological sex matching their gender.
I think lately, though there's been some blurring at the boundaries
even if it's only a few individual cases. Dig around and you'll
find a few personal cases which just fall out of the most common
including people transitioning and then years if not decades later,
transitioning back for a variety of reasons. That's with things as
they are now, could you imagine what would happen if it was much
easier and much more reversible?
As for the anecdotes, I had a FHM magazine where they interviewed a
lot of people in Thailand, one was one of three siblings who all
transitioned MTF. I don't think that seems likely if it's just
biology. Ditto a case I heard about on the radio about five
siblings in Saudi Arabia (there was some mention of I think
chromosomal mosaicism - possible mix of XX and XY cells) who all
transitioned FTM. I strongly suspect there's some cultural factors
in there.
Then there's this:
https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/cooking-with-muxes-mexicos-third-gender
All these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
You just know that if it became really easy (non-surgical) and
especially reversible, more people would do it, there'd definitely
be a floating population that moved back and forth and some people
would try it and prefer the opposite to what they started life as
who otherwise wouldn't have had it not been so easy.
Epidemiology couldn't tell you specifically who, just that there
would be.
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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #405 |
Just to answer one of the things you brought up 404, we already
know now that of people who transition say for example MTF, there's
a higher proportion of lesbians than the general population but
there's also people who have said they still thought they'd be only
attracted to women and never expected to end up in a heterosexual
relationship and yet find they do.
I guess since we know that people change over time (who wouldn't
want to at least give their younger selves a serious talking to,
especially about something stupid they did), I can't see why there
wouldn't at least a few people who could genuinely say that they
really were one gender for one part of their lives and then another
for the rest of it.
I can't believe absolutely everyone is absolutely clearly bounded
from birth to death in either the male box or the female box out of
all 7 billion plus of us (not to mention all those who lived in the
past).
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From: guest (Bud)
, 92 months, post #406 |
You won't know until you swap and get to experience life with
breasts and a vagina. All of this stuff is unknowable because we
have no idea what it would be like. We have no past experience to
base a logical explanation of what would happen to a man or a human
in general if they went from being in a male body to a female body
and vice versa.
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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #407 |
Not a specific individual, no but looking at population dynamics
and groups as a whole we can. As it is now, we can already point to
case examples of people who in retrospect have come to say that
went through the process and in retrospect have said it was "ill
advised" that they did so by their own admission.
I couldn't say who but I can say if the process became a lot
easier/reversible and especially even more socially acceptable,
numbers overall would go up in all areas in total (temporary and
permanent).
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From: guest
, 92 months, post #408 |
I don't trust http://www.giltedgemedia.com/sam.php anyone got
anywhere better to buy an online copy in the UK, I am still hopeful
for iTunes
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From: guest (Jason)
, 92 months, post #409 |
Why when I go on google and type in "Sam" it says the release date
is September 20th but in Amazon it says October 11th. Is it
available now somewhere else?
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From: Tuggy24g
, 92 months, post #410 |
I know Video on Demand websites all say September 28 release date
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From: Air Gear
, 92 months, post #411 |
Makes you wonder how many films are made that never get a release
like ever.
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From: guest
, 92 months, post #412 |
Any moe uk providers yet?
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From: Holly Dunn
, 92 months, post #413 |
In the USA it is supposed to be available on iTunes on Tuesday
9/27/16. Can't wait!
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From: guest (Saint)
, 92 months, post #414 |
Did it get pushed back to October?
Variety
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/nicholas-brooks-comedy-sam-october-release-1201869700/
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From: guest (Valkan)
, 92 months, post #415 |
iTunes still has the Sept release date.
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From: cj
, 92 months, post #416 |
Saint, it looks like the VOD / Digital stream (like iTunes) release
will be 27 Sept, but the DVD release (Amazon) is set for 11 Oct.
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From: guest (browncoat)
, 92 months, post #417 |
I just realized that on most google searches specifically regarding
this film, like "Sam Nicholas Brooks," this thread is near the top
of the first page of results.
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From: guest (Dave)
, 92 months, post #418 |
Does anyone know how to watch this in the UK?
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From: Holly Dunn
, 92 months, post #419 |
Is Sam available at midnight Eastern, Midnight Pacific (Hollywood
and Silicon Valley iTunes time,) at 8am, at 10am, etc?
I've never cared to know how these releases are handled. This time,
I do.
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From: guest (Dave)
, 92 months, post #420 |
I'm just sitting here trying to find out how I'll be able to get
watch it in the UK :(
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