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From: guest (JK)
, 119 months, post #1 |
Would like to read a good story, and/or see more stories where a
society outlaws homosexuality and has the ability to completely
change the gender of a person. They then force all homosexual men
to become women and all homosexual women to become men.
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From: guest
, 119 months, post #2 |
Not completely absurd considering Iran...
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From: guest (JK)
, 119 months, post #3 |
It was done to some homosexual men in South Africa.
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From: guest
, 118 months, post #4 |
Wow that's a really sick idea, even in the fantasy realm. Why would
you want to read about something so terrible?
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From: guest
, 118 months, post #5 |
As a gay man, I can honestly say I would hate to have female
parts... that would be absolutely repulsive! I like being a man,
and being with other men.
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From: guest (reader)
, 118 months, post #6 |
"Wow that's a really sick idea, even in the fantasy realm. Why
would you want to read about something so terrible?"
The majority of TG stories deal with heterosexual men being forced
to become women, but somehow this idea is "sick"? Why? Because
homosexuals are some kind of special class that needs protection in
TG stories?
Posts like yours show exactly why this forum sucks more and more
each year. It tries to be all inclusive to transformations, but
should have stuck with TG only.
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From: guest (Ovid)
, 118 months, post #7 |
In the "Ovid" stories by The Professor, homosexuality is not
allowed in the town and all homosexual men and women are changed
into the opposite gender.
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From: guest
, 118 months, post #8 |
" Why? Because homosexuals are some kind of special class that
needs protection..."
Transformation stories aside, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I
get the feeling that you're not all too gay friendly to begin with
as that is often a phrase used by homophobic people/ the anti-gay
movement. I apologize if I'm wrong, I just have only heard that
assertion from raging bigots.
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From: guest
, 118 months, post #9 |
"Transformation stories aside, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I
get the feeling that you're not all too gay friendly to begin with
as that is often a phrase used by homophobic people/ the anti-gay
movement. I apologize if I'm wrong, I just have only heard that
assertion from raging bigots."
Let me back up, replace the word assertion with "that kind of
wording". Once again, my apologies if I'm wrong here.
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From: cj
, 118 months, post #10 |
Before this thread gets out of hand, let's all remember to take a
moment and step back from our initial thoughts and any assumptions
about JK's motivations / thoughts on homosexuality.
Many of us get excited reading a story or watching a video where a
set (men), or even a specific subset of people (those who could
match a description of us) -- I see JK's desire for such stories as
no different.
JK seems to want to explore the possibilities in various scenarios
where the victims start off as homosexual instead of heterosexual
as in most TG stories.
I saw no bigotry, bias, naivety or ignorance in JK's request... and
the request alone doesn't address the realities of homosexuality
(partner preference) vs transgenderism (self identity). They are
certainly very different things, but not necessarily mutually
exclusive. A realization of true self (physical correction) or
shift in one's gender can certainly affect (or not) one's
preference in a partner(s).
As to why someone would want to read a story like that... if it's
well thought-out and well-told, it would be an intriguing look into
the author's vision of the human condition - explored from an
oft-neglected perspective. Just as with the standard TG fare, there
are so many avenues to explore as the main character(s) deal with
that specific barbaric and ill-informed world / society. How do
they live with the consequences of what's been done to them.
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From: guest
, 118 months, post #11 |
All great points cj, I think the only difference here, is that the
scenario posed by JK is very real for many homosexuals, such as in
Iran. While homosexuality and transsexuality as well as
heterosexuality all deal with identity, they are quite different as
gay men have no desire to be female or to be with other females, as
lesbians have no desire to be male or to be with males. The
fantasies posted here of men or women being magically transformed
by someone else, into the opposite sex, are not a reality, but just
that a fantasy, with no connection to reality.
The difference is homosexuals do undergo the pain from the scenario
that JK mentioned, however heterosexuals do not experience this in
reality regardless of sex. And there lie-ins the difference, but
you do indeed make good points CJ.
It is the difference between imagining horrors that are very real
for some people versus a fantasy that is totally detached from the
reality that we live in and has no impact on people's lives.
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From: cj
, 118 months, post #12 |
While I concede that there are nightmarish things that happen to
individuals all over the planet in the real world. We also need to
remember that JK didn't elaborate on the definition of "to completely change the gender"
... Something that I doubt could be done anyhow, short of some
magical or Sci-Fi means. They can only surgically alter (butcher in
these case) the body - they can't change the mind on an unwilling
victim.
While that still doesn't diminish the horror of the real-world
problems, there is still some room in the fantasy world for
"what-if" treatment of scenarios that, while similar, are still not
possible at this time.
Heck, the issue of gender identity and gender dysphoria could
certainly be addressed, even touching on a true-life story.
Certainly, a gay man receiving a forced SRS would then be a man
trapped in a female body... Based on the hell that those born in
the wrong-gendered body go through all their life until they
transition... It would probably be a familiar story to some...
though in a different form / causation.
Perhaps these stories would still be in bad taste even under a
fantasy / sci-fi / magical setting when considering real-world
actualities... but then again, we have plenty of stories of forced
/ rape and abuse as well.
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From: guest (JK)
, 118 months, post #13 |
As was pointed out earlier, in the Ovid stories, anyone who is
attracted to the same gender, gets their gender changed to the
opposite.
I like these kind of stories and would like to see more of them. I
like reading stories where a homosexual man is by magic or sci-fi,
changed into a woman and now has to deal with a relationship with a
man as a woman, to be seen as a woman, treated like one, etc.
If that bothers you, maybe you should not be involved in TG stories
of any type?
Such as a heterosexual male being changed into a woman and being
forced to have a sexual relationship with a man, which the new
woman sees as homosexual. Does that bother any of you the same?
Seriously, if you want homosexuality to be accepted more in
society, stop playing into the stereotype of being a "drama queen"
over every made up thing in your mind that someone is out to get
you.
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From: guest (JK)
, 118 months, post #14 |
Remember the remake of The Stepford Wives a few years ago? It had
Nicole Kidman in it, �..Anyway it had a gay couple that moved to
Stepford, and one of them was made ultra fem. I thought it would
have been cool if both of the gay men would have been changed into
feminine Stepford women and married off to two hetero men, in order
to fit into Stepford society.
I do not like cross dressing stories, or too many of the surgical
change ones. I like complete change, where the new woman has a
womb, ovaries and all else�And homosexual men into complete women
is another I like. Especially being forced to "fit in" to a society
that only wants heterosexual "norms"
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From: guest (JK)
, 118 months, post #15 |
"""but I get the feeling that you're not all too gay friendly to
begin with as that is often a phrase used by homophobic people/ the
anti-gay movement. I apologize if I'm wrong, I just have only heard
that assertion from raging bigots.""""
This might be a small wake up call to get over yourself.
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From: cj
, 118 months, post #16 |
Let's be careful not get into personal attacks / name-calling here.
Thank you, JK, for stating your position / desires.
I hope that this concludes the feather ruffling, and we can get
back to finding more content.
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From: guest (lily)
, 118 months, post #17 |
@JK #14
I like complete change, where the new woman has a womb, ovaries and
all else�And homosexual men into complete women is another I like.
Especially being forced to "fit in" to a society that only wants
heterosexual "norms".
That's interesting. Do you identify as a gay male IRL? When you
read these stories, do you identify as the gay man who is being
transformed, or with the authorities who are responsible for the
transformation?
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From: cj
, 118 months, post #18 |
FINAL WARNING
before thread is locked!!
This thread is getting far too skewed from the original post's
intent to locate and/or inspire stories of a particular theme.
It has been getting far too close to being a series of attacks on
one another for perceived
ideologies and injustices, and... okay, my vocabulary fails - but
I'm sure you get the picture. This thread is drifting from civil
discussion, begins to lacks courtesy and is getting disrespectful.
While I'm now curious as to JK's identification in such stories, it
is HIGHLY IRRELEVANT as to the inclusion and/or creation of such
stories in the first place. As this seems to be "poking the bear"
and trying to find out JK's motivations for interest in such
stories... possibly to attempt to vilify JK (or redeem him) -- And
I HOPE THAT JK JUST IGNORES THAT QUESTION.
Keep the discussion civil!
Refrain from getting personal!
Respect each other - ESPECIALLY if their views DIFFER from yours...
You're NOT perfect either!
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From: guest (lily)
, 118 months, post #19 |
Was that FINAL WARNING in response to my question?
I interpreted the top post to be an invitation to discuss JK's
interest in stories which feature gay men forcibly transformed into
women. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
I was really asking a real question. I was not trying to provoke
JK, or anyone else.
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From: cj
, 118 months, post #20 |
"Was that FINAL WARNING in response to my question?"
Only in part... as I interpreted that last question. I thought it
was a good question at first (it would put many minds and
assumptions to rest) - but quickly realized that it could be
interpreted as a goading question (which you've now verified wasn't
your intention).
As this thread has seen a majority of posts being more personal
than critical of JK, and JK trying to defend himself against the
"attacks" in perhaps a bit less than diplomatic fashion... I simply
addressed it to everyone, based on the overall tenor of the thread.
"I interpreted the top post to be an invitation to discuss JK's
interest in stories which feature gay men forcibly transformed into
women."
Always a fickle beast... interpreting the written word. :-)
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