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From: guest , 120 months, post #1
A recent discussion in a post has made me curious about the choice vs birth arguments.

Now if a Straight or Gay person for that matter says that nobody is born Gay (Or straight) and that its their choice. Do you think that person should just come out as Bisexual?

I mean they obviously have no idea how it is to be Monosexual. If a Gay man chose to be gay later on in life and says its the same for all gay people (which I know it isn't) then why doesn't he admit he likes people of more then one sex? Same goes for straight people that just say people have a choice.

Curious what other people on here think

From: guest , 120 months, post #2
I can't respect an individual that says "I was born gay and if I could choose, I would choose to be straight". I lose all respect for a person when say something like that. That is an excuse. Just own up to your insecurity and embrace yourself. You like what you like and it makes you happy. Nothing wrong with that. Just admit it and keep living the dream.
When you say something like "I would choose to be straight" when you are gay, you are making excuses and making it to be like homosexuality is a curse or something that you have to experience and endure against your will.

Personally, I have no idea if being gay, straight, bisexual or whatever is a choice. Asking me that would be like me trying to define perfection. I have never seen perfection so I have no idea what it is like. I have no idea how emotions, feelings, and thoughts are created in human beings.
If I had a gun to my head and it was loaded and it would fire unless I answered the question, then I guess I would say maybe it's a mixture of genetics, an individual's upbringing, and sociological and psychological make up of the individual.

From: cj , 120 months, post #3
My opinion from what I've read and seen is that both gender identity and sexual preferences are NOT a product of genetics (a specific gene / sequence), upbringing, or it "being a choice",

My opinion is that both of these things are hard-wired into our physical brain. They are either in-place or influenced by the chemical reactions and physical growth of our own bodies as we continue to develop. For most people these things are rooted deeply and firmly, early in our lives. For others, these things are more flexible. And for others still, they may change as our bodies and brains change over time.

Now... how we act upon those identity and preference programs depends on not only the depth and strength of our identity make-up, but also on our culture and other sociological conditions, our upbringing, and our own personality and inner strength.

But then, that's just my opinion.

From: guest , 120 months, post #4
So because I'm physically male, would rather be female, and wish I didn't have that highly inconvenient desire, I'm unworthy of respect?

Sheesh.

From: guest , 120 months, post #5
People can wish to be hat ever they want, but how can a person say someone has chosen to be gay, or trans for that matter, yet they won't say if they choose to be straight

From: guest (Gypsy) , 120 months, post #6
My brother and I were raised in the same house. When I was about six I realized that my older brother was different from me (we are separated by just more then 2 yrs). I was 15 when he came out, but by then we knew, we all knew. I never questioned my love for him, though I think he questioned my love because he liked the drama of it (emm, gays liking the drama, wow).

I have become friends with everyone of his BFs, maintaining relationships with them after the break up even (with most).

Its pretty clear to me that people are hardwired, that they are either straight or not.

My presence here has to do with my fantasy interest not my desire to be someone one, I would not willingly swap bodies or change, because I like my life (okay, sometimes not so much), and I am straight, and proud of the fact that I have friends that are not straight.

From: guest (guest) , 120 months, post #7
Most things are biological. However it's also possible for attractions to be learned over time. Regardless of what sexuality someone is or says they are, choosing to act upon it is a choice.

From: cj , 120 months, post #8
"... yet they won't say if they choose to be straight"

That's because, in their minds, all people are born "straight"... but some choose to be lesbian, gay, etc. They do not understand, or are unwilling to accept that these things are not choices, they are a fundamental aspect of how each of us, individually, are "wired".

From: guest , 120 months, post #9
How many times do I have to say this? I never said it was a choice. I honestly don't know if it's a choice. I just can't 100 definitively say that it's 100 percent biological. Can any of you 100 definitively say that it's 100 percent biological? Are you all knowing? Do you have an infinite amount of knowledge and power? If so, can you get me a brand new car?

I don't know if people are born straight, gay, or bisexual but individuals do have choices when it comes to sexual activities. I mean unless you are being raped, you always have a choice and free will. People do sexual activities because they like it. Plan and simple. When a person says that they are being forced to be gay and have gay sex because they were born this way, it's a huge cop out and excuse. They are making it sound like being gay is a bad thing. How will they get respect from people that don't understand gayness when they themselves don't even like being gay? If you are gay, straight, or bisexual, admit it, own it, and embrace it. Don't make excuses because you are insecure of what society thinks about your sexual preferences. Who cares what society thinks?

From: guest , 120 months, post #10
It's not a cop out, sleeping with someone you don't like is rape, I'm sorry ill copy paste the definition after this rant. Lieing to coerce a person to sleep with you is rape, be it about your job, or your feelings or your sexuality. Ok It's harder to prove then physical rape as clear consent may be given, but its still rape in the same way that drunken sex is rape. The person regrets it when they find out they have been lied to. So what your saying is, people have the choice to be rapists? True. They also have the choice to not have sex. Or to have sex with people they love and can be honest with.

http://www.clarku.edu/offices/dos/survivorguide/definition.cfm

Other then that I agree with you 100% people should be honest about their sexuality, especially with their sexual partners, we may not have many choices in life, but we can at least make sure those choices cause as little harm as possible to others.

Personally I think most people who take issue with people having rights are bullies, they want to remain in control and don't like a level playing field. To which I say, whatever Ill try to have as little to do with you as I can. This is why I don't work for other people, nothing worse then some idiot with a hitler complex.

From: Greg , 120 months, post #11
Guest 10.
OK I find that "definition" of rape ridiculous. Coercing someone to sleep with you is rape yes, but lying ? There is nothing inherently coercive about lying. Should a woman be imprisoned for rape if she said she was 30 to her partner while in fact she was 40 ? Regretting having sex with someone doesn't mean it was a rape, it just means you think you made a bad decision. Lying to someone makes you morally suspect, it doesn't make you a rapist.

From: cj , 120 months, post #12
"When a person says that they are being forced to be gay and have gay sex because they were born this way"

Where is that coming from? I can't recall ever hearing that one before.


I agree with Greg on lying vs coersion with regards to rape.

From: guest , 120 months, post #13
I don't really understand how rape got brought into this discussion but it's 2014 and okay.
I personally think rape is bad and agree with John Malkovich in Con Air with he says about rapists.

I have no problem with gay people having rights. I have a problem when they demand that people bend over backwards for them because they are gay and if you don't help them, then you hate gay people. I'm not saying every gay person and to be honest, the majority aren't. However in American society, extremists usually make the headlines and have all the power which is sad because they reflect negatively on an entire group.

I think humans deserve to have rights because they are humans and people. You don't get deserve rights because you are a woman, minority, or gay. You get and deserve rights because you're a person and you should be treated like a person. Case closed.

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