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From: guest
, 120 months, post #1 |
A recent discussion in a post has made me curious about the choice
vs birth arguments.
Now if a Straight or Gay person for that matter says that nobody is
born Gay (Or straight) and that its their choice. Do you think that
person should just come out as Bisexual?
I mean they obviously have no idea how it is to be Monosexual. If a
Gay man chose to be gay later on in life and says its the same for
all gay people (which I know it isn't) then why doesn't he admit he
likes people of more then one sex? Same goes for straight people
that just say people have a choice.
Curious what other people on here think
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #2 |
I can't respect an individual that says "I was born gay and if I
could choose, I would choose to be straight". I lose all respect
for a person when say something like that. That is an excuse. Just
own up to your insecurity and embrace yourself. You like what you
like and it makes you happy. Nothing wrong with that. Just admit it
and keep living the dream.
When you say something like "I would choose to be straight" when
you are gay, you are making excuses and making it to be like
homosexuality is a curse or something that you have to experience
and endure against your will.
Personally, I have no idea if being gay, straight, bisexual or
whatever is a choice. Asking me that would be like me trying to
define perfection. I have never seen perfection so I have no idea
what it is like. I have no idea how emotions, feelings, and
thoughts are created in human beings.
If I had a gun to my head and it was loaded and it would fire
unless I answered the question, then I guess I would say maybe it's
a mixture of genetics, an individual's upbringing, and sociological
and psychological make up of the individual.
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From: cj
, 120 months, post #3 |
My opinion from what I've read and seen is that both gender
identity and sexual preferences are NOT a product of genetics (a
specific gene / sequence), upbringing, or it "being a choice",
My opinion is that both of these things are hard-wired into our
physical brain. They are either in-place or influenced by the
chemical reactions and physical growth of our own bodies as we
continue to develop. For most people these things are rooted deeply
and firmly, early in our lives. For others, these things are more
flexible. And for others still, they may change as our bodies and
brains change over time.
Now... how we act upon those identity and preference programs
depends on not only the depth and strength of our identity make-up,
but also on our culture and other sociological conditions, our
upbringing, and our own personality and inner strength.
But then, that's just my opinion.
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #4 |
So because I'm physically male, would rather be female, and wish I
didn't have that highly inconvenient desire, I'm unworthy of
respect?
Sheesh.
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #5 |
People can wish to be hat ever they want, but how can a person say
someone has chosen to be gay, or trans for that matter, yet they
won't say if they choose to be straight
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From: guest (Gypsy)
, 120 months, post #6 |
My brother and I were raised in the same house. When I was about
six I realized that my older brother was different from me (we are
separated by just more then 2 yrs). I was 15 when he came out, but
by then we knew, we all knew. I never questioned my love for him,
though I think he questioned my love because he liked the drama of
it (emm, gays liking the drama, wow).
I have become friends with everyone of his BFs, maintaining
relationships with them after the break up even (with most).
Its pretty clear to me that people are hardwired, that they are
either straight or not.
My presence here has to do with my fantasy interest not my desire
to be someone one, I would not willingly swap bodies or change,
because I like my life (okay, sometimes not so much), and I am
straight, and proud of the fact that I have friends that are not
straight.
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From: guest (guest)
, 120 months, post #7 |
Most things are biological. However it's also possible for
attractions to be learned over time. Regardless of what sexuality
someone is or says they are, choosing to act upon it is a choice.
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From: cj
, 120 months, post #8 |
"... yet they won't say if they choose to be straight"
That's because, in their minds, all people are born "straight"...
but some choose
to be lesbian, gay, etc. They do not understand, or are unwilling
to accept that these things are not choices, they are a fundamental
aspect of how each of us, individually, are "wired".
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #9 |
How many times do I have to say this? I never said it was a choice.
I honestly don't know if it's a choice. I just can't 100
definitively say that it's 100 percent biological. Can any of you
100 definitively say that it's 100 percent biological? Are you all
knowing? Do you have an infinite amount of knowledge and power? If
so, can you get me a brand new car?
I don't know if people are born straight, gay, or bisexual but
individuals do have choices when it comes to sexual activities. I
mean unless you are being raped, you always have a choice and free
will. People do sexual activities because they like it. Plan and
simple. When a person says that they are being forced to be gay and
have gay sex because they were born this way, it's a huge cop out
and excuse. They are making it sound like being gay is a bad thing.
How will they get respect from people that don't understand gayness
when they themselves don't even like being gay? If you are gay,
straight, or bisexual, admit it, own it, and embrace it. Don't make
excuses because you are insecure of what society thinks about your
sexual preferences. Who cares what society thinks?
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #10 |
It's not a cop out, sleeping with someone you don't like is rape,
I'm sorry ill copy paste the definition after this rant. Lieing to
coerce a person to sleep with you is rape, be it about your job, or
your feelings or your sexuality. Ok It's harder to prove then
physical rape as clear consent may be given, but its still rape in
the same way that drunken sex is rape. The person regrets it when
they find out they have been lied to. So what your saying is,
people have the choice to be rapists? True. They also have the
choice to not have sex. Or to have sex with people they love and
can be honest with.
http://www.clarku.edu/offices/dos/survivorguide/definition.cfm
Other then that I agree with you 100% people should be honest about
their sexuality, especially with their sexual partners, we may not
have many choices in life, but we can at least make sure those
choices cause as little harm as possible to others.
Personally I think most people who take issue with people having
rights are bullies, they want to remain in control and don't like a
level playing field. To which I say, whatever Ill try to have as
little to do with you as I can. This is why I don't work for other
people, nothing worse then some idiot with a hitler complex.
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From: Greg
, 120 months, post #11 |
Guest 10.
OK I find that "definition" of rape ridiculous. Coercing someone to
sleep with you is rape yes, but lying ? There is nothing inherently
coercive about lying. Should a woman be imprisoned for rape if she
said she was 30 to her partner while in fact she was 40 ?
Regretting having sex with someone doesn't mean it was a rape, it
just means you think you made a bad decision. Lying to someone
makes you morally suspect, it doesn't make you a rapist.
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From: cj
, 120 months, post #12 |
"When a person says that they are being forced to be gay and have
gay sex because they were born this way"
Where is that coming from? I can't recall ever hearing that one
before.
I agree with Greg on lying vs coersion with regards to rape.
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From: guest
, 120 months, post #13 |
I don't really understand how rape got brought into this discussion
but it's 2014 and okay.
I personally think rape is bad and agree with John Malkovich in Con
Air with he says about rapists.
I have no problem with gay people having rights. I have a problem
when they demand that people bend over backwards for them because
they are gay and if you don't help them, then you hate gay people.
I'm not saying every gay person and to be honest, the majority
aren't. However in American society, extremists usually make the
headlines and have all the power which is sad because they reflect
negatively on an entire group.
I think humans deserve to have rights because they are humans and
people. You don't get deserve rights because you are a woman,
minority, or gay. You get and deserve rights because you're a
person and you should be treated like a person. Case closed.
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