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From: guest
, 122 months, post #21 |
The only part I hate is when using the site on my phone, I suddenly
get switched from browser to App Store to be offered Kandy
Khrushchev Kollective Farm or some other free game app. Otherwise
the ads aren't too bad.
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From: guest (Guest)
, 122 months, post #22 |
Ad blockers are a matter of security for me. Many attacks nowadays
are coming through online ad services. Even if the site itself is
secure, the online ads could be infected. Installing an ad blocker
is just one little thing I can do to protect my computer.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #23 |
ill just click an extra button, does not really bother me, 2 extra
seconds to click twice ... aint gonna make me disable adblock,
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From: guest (guest)
, 122 months, post #24 |
Since Storymaster is fast to try and shut down criticism, I'm not
surprised he's trying to do it on other sites too.
Here's a simple solution to get around the adblocker crap on the
site, modify your hosts file, like this:
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
This re-routes every known ad server on the internet to your own
PC, and since your PC doesn't host ads, the ads don't appear.
Occasionally you get "page cannot be found" blocks in a webpage
you're browsing but it stops popups and can't be blocked by most of
the anti-ad blocker routines (Most of which are honeypot anyway).
No ad blocker, no ads, easy...
Although (and especially since storymaster is now trawling other
sites to try and terminate criticism of his decisions), I would
recommend using HTTrack now to back up every interactive you like
on that site. IT's really the only way to be sure.
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From: cj
, 122 months, post #25 |
" I kind request the admins of whatever site this is supposed to be
to close this thread immediately."
I'll pass your request along. Be advised that this is a message
board open to the public. We would gladly add a link to this
discussion to the appropriate page on your website that addresses
the issues discussed in this message thread, so that any readers
would be able to read all about your point of view. As with life
the truth can only be seen when all the facts (from all sides) are
understood.
I cannot speak for this site or its owner (or its visitors).
IANAL, But I will however state that if people are blocking ads
because those ads are infecting people's computers - you need to
find a different revenue stream before you find yourself facing a
lawsuit of some sort. I also understand the reason you use ads
(running a website can be an expensive thing... the more traffic
you get / more popular your site is, the more it costs to run). If
you are experience lots of backlash, perhaps you should review the
comments you are getting, gleaning them for more details and
suggestions for alternative solutions. But I'm not you, nor aware
of all the information that you have about your website and it's
operation.
Again, I'll pass your request along to the site's admin - I would
expect him to address your request as quickly as he can.
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From: guest (SylVal)
, 122 months, post #26 |
The writing.com guy is certainly within his rights to attempt to
put up ads on his site, though I'll be the first to admit he seems
to be dealing with criticism in less then ideal way.
I question whether it's wise it to antagonize someone like that who
doesn't seem to have any qualms about dropping the hammer on
people. The ads suck, but I don't think they're all that annoying
on anything other then a mobile device, and even then it just adds
some latency. I would hate to see all of the complaining leading to
a complete removal of the interactive stories section, and
especially the stories by Seuzz.
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From: rugal
, 122 months, post #27 |
My problem is this: as has been said people are blocking ads for
safety reasons. As the guest at the top of this page said, they
were getting hijacks opening the app store on his phone to get them
to download an app that could, potentially, be dangerous. Things
like that are why people use adblockers.
Do I get the need to make money? Absolutely. Do I begrudge someone
for wanting to make it? Unless it's in an unethical manner, of
course not. But at the same time I'm not going to risk the safety
of my computer or phone or anything like that, or risk my personal
information, to stop a message that just makes it the site slightly
more annoying to use.
I understand that Writing.com has to be money but I don't like the
feeling that I'm being strongarmed and could possibly have
something I enjoy (reading and contributing to the interactives)
taken away and then called derogatory names because I'm choosing to
take steps to protect myself.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #28 |
The reason I had to switch browsers on my phone and INSTALL an ad
blocker is because every time I went to writing.com it would either
redirect me to the Google play store to download Candy Crush or
forward my browser to another site. Ads I don't have a huge problem
with. Ads that attempt to hijack my browser or install things I
don't want are a different story.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #29 |
The ads on writing.com are obtrusive and awful or people wouldn't
mind disabling their adblockers for just that site. On okcupid.com
if you have an adblocker on you see something on the side that asks
you nicely to donate 5 dollars to disable ads. I think that's a
much better approach.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #30 |
Use AdBlock and NoScript and you will not be bothered neither by
the anti-adblock message nor by the ads again.
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From: guest (Common Sense)
, 122 months, post #31 |
As someone who works with ad-revenue and ad agencies on a daily
basis I understand Story Master's position.
A lot of you are letting your personal feelings get in the way of
your common sense. He has to pay to host the content that you want
to view. You aren't going to get any viruses from an ad from the
particular ad service he is using. If your computer is properly
protected you won't have to worry either way.
The ad's that will give you viruses are on much more fishy sites
and typically porn sites.
Are some ad's annoying? Of course they are but those of you who are
complaining about the ad's and using ad-blocker, yet still want to
view the interactives are shooting yourselves in the foot.
He has to pay for the site somehow and you're not making it any
easier by encouraging people to take the service for granted.
If I was storymaster I would remove the interactives immediately
based on the feedback the community is giving. He seems like a more
reasonable person even though you are threatening his livelyhood
with your ad-block campaign.
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From: rugal
, 122 months, post #32 |
People IN THIS VERY THREAD have talked about ads engaging in
browser hijacks or opening the app store on the site. I've been to
other sites, even places like GameFAQs of all things, where I've
had to deal with bad ads in the past. One site/forum I regularly
visit (non-TG related) has had problems with its ad service, which
is/was an apparently reputable service, putting through nothing but
the worst of the worst giving its users viruses and other stuff.
The staff's solution? Outright tell people to use adblock. They
have other premium content you can pay for.
Writing.com should look into getting rid of the ads and moving to
more of a subscription/premium content model. Preferably by
consolidating the paid accounts features into one cheaper model:
people will pay a smaller price a month for a premium account far
more than they'd pay $400+ a year for one (as the highest tier is)
and chances are they'd see an increase in people going to paid
accounts if they were a.) ad free and b.) more affordable.
Some times bad ads get through no matter how reputable the site is.
Common sense is realizing that people are not going to risk their
computers or other devices and adjusting accordingly, not
strongarming people. If anyone is threatening Writing.com's
livelihood it's the staff of the site by relying on a service that
causes people to resort to adblockers in the first place and the
taking actions to blame the victims and angering the userbase.
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From: guest (guest1)
, 122 months, post #33 |
the post where storymaster twice makes reference to "kinky
fetishes" should be removed. He is making it sound like viewers of
this site are freaks and we are lucky he lets us post "this type"
of stuff on his page.
It is offensive to everyone that enjoys this site!!
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From: guest (Syberia)
, 122 months, post #34 |
I see his motivations at least, but it's a cyclical problem. He
hosts porn, so most advertisers avoid him. The ones that aren't
bothered by that tend to be the ones which are more annoying and
are more likely to have malware - the ads users want to avoid most.
That said, some method of convincing users to disable adblockers
are better than others, and his actions and response to criticism
aren't going to get me to turn mine off.
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From: DivineBandit
, 122 months, post #35 |
I understand the dealio, and I would typically disable adblock for
sites I enjoy, but Writing.com's ads are super intrusive. Every
time I visit on my tablet, I get pop-ups claiming my device is
infected with a virus. I don't trust the ads.
However, I do understand the problem with the specific content
we're interested in is the very reason WDC is forced to rely on
those nasty ads. If there's another way I can support the site, I'd
like to. Do paid memberships remove ads?
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From: DivineBandit
, 122 months, post #36 |
It makes me really sad to hear about things that hurt Writing.com's
interactive community. I've been reading and adding to stories
there for probably over ten years at this point. Sure, there's a
lot of crap that happens. The forced sex scenes can be super
intrusive, and a lot of contributors that are perfectly content to
repeat the exact same scenarios over and over.
But I'm nostalgic for it, darnit.
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From: guest
, 122 months, post #37 |
In my honest opinion, writing.com is a great site. But it is going
to be VERY hard to get people to do what you ask them to do if you
basically tell them "tough shit, deal with it." It's his site and
he has every right to do so and every right to try and make money
off of it, but sometimes explaining things to people and politely
asking for some cooperation or giving them incentives to cooperate
with you goes a long way.
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From: guest (Brayn)
, 122 months, post #38 |
Funny thing to consider too, from reading a few new posts in the
technical support forums, the half-assed implementation of the ad
blocker is finding a false positive for anyone who runs without
javascript (ie: hardened browsers). So you have to turn javascript
on to browse the site or you get the ad blocker error.
So not only is the "ad blocker disable" function intrusive for
most, but is also badly implemented and disrupting other users, and
it effectively means older mobile devices will not be able to visit
the pages at all anymore since earlier implementations of Opera and
whatnot (ie: Nintendo DS), can't use javascript.
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From: cj
, 122 months, post #39 |
"the post where storymaster twice makes reference to "kinky
fetishes" should be removed. He is making it sound like viewers of
this site are freaks and we are lucky he lets us post "this type"
of stuff on his page."
It breaks no guidelines or laws. I felt a bit put-out by the post
myself - but it is a public forum. Probably not the smartest idea
to start to question/alienate an unfamiliar forum / message board,
and then ask for the conversation to removed. But then that's just
my opinion.
Again, since it doesn't break any "rules"... is open to public
discussion (currently)... and allows his side of the story to be
told. I'm voting to leave the post in-place.
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From: guest (Common Sense)
, 122 months, post #40 |
This is what I find so ridiculous.
StoryMaster Inplements the anti-adblocker and he explains why he
did it because of the high costs behind it and people using
ad-block while browsing them.
The community then back-lashes by encouraging more people to use
ad-blocker and it isn't until after storymaster threatens to remove
the interactives that you guys want to negotiate with him and offer
your suggestions for alternatives.
Yes he could do a paid ad-removal membership or less obtrusive ads
but the community didn't lead with suggestions instead we lead with
rage against him for adding an extra step of inconvenience to read
fiction with ad-blocker, and we've left him with no alternatives
other than if he leaves the ad's we'll use ad-blocker.
Also the idea of getting a virus from an ad is stupid. You WON'T
get a virus from an ad if your computer is properly protected like
it should be anyway. Get malware-bytes if your worried and browse
with chrome which has some built in protection. This is common
sense people.
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