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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #101 |
New Cast Member Added for the role of Lulu.
I was going to say the other day . . . what happened to Lulu? If
you read the audition script they mention this character named Lulu
who is a big shot with Sam's modeling agency. In fact it's Lulu who
says "That girl needs a makeover."
Well, it's a relatively big name Morgan freakin' Fairchild.
Awesome.
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From: guest (Guestimation)
, 125 months, post #102 |
I think the fact that this is an upper-tier indie production,
rather than a big-studio release, bodes well for the final
results... so maybe this will be meatier, less bland and more to
our liking overall than, say, SWITCH, THE HOT CHICK and DR. JEKYLL
& MS. HYDE (the Tim Daly/Sean Young comedy), while far more
polished in all departments than cheap softcore flicks like
CLEO/LEO and SEXUAL CHEMISTRY.
The previous mention of the frequent F-bombs dropped throught the
script would indicate an R rating, which also could possibly mean
--depending on the script, the director's vision and the
willingness of Knepp (or a body double)-- for a scene of a nude (or
semi nude) Samantha's assessment of herself in the mirror, right
after the change, while not descending into quasi-porn.
Anyway, while I'm pretty sure it won't be a big hit (along the
lines of MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING), playing just a few big-city
theaters and some festivals, so far this looks very promising, will
probably recoup its costs (and may turn a nice little profit) once
it hits video/streaming, and may well become a cult movie,
inspiring others, if it's a good, entertaining story,
well-performed. I sure hope so.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #103 |
Hey, thesaint, I read your guess regarding the ending. I hope it
goes something like that. It would be refreshing change. Sam
wouldn't be merely the classic male chauvinist jerk who needs to be
taught "a lesson." That motivation on Sam's part would give him a
thoughtful and noble side too.
Regarding the movie's actors and producers not having Twitter,
Instagram and Facebook accounts, its most surprising. Social media
creates 100% free publicity and would probably build interest in
the movie. Maybe the producers intentionally want to keep things
under wraps, until SAM is ready for release?
One question... Where did you see that Sam can't play football
anymore, because he's now a girl? I like that idea because its
totally accurate -- I played varsity football all thru junior high,
high school, and my first year of college. Also it would help
illustrate how much Sam's world has changed.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #104 |
Can someone explain to me why a male that is turned into a female
to be taught a lesson cannot redeem himself and be allowed to
return to being a male? It seems like this board thinks that a male
turned female must stay a female even after said male has served
his sentenced, changed his ways, and becomes a better person. I
just don't get it.
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From: guest (guest)
, 125 months, post #105 |
Guest #104 - I liked that Dating the Enemy had the characters
return to their bodies after learning a lesson and repairing their
relationship. I wouldn't say that every changed character should be
stuck in their new form.
But what I like about Sam is that the story seems to be about more
than an object lesson for a male chauvinist. Two best friends
discover that their friendship turns to love after one of them
changes gender. They already have a strong relationship, the change
adds sexual attraction into the mix. I think it would be a letdown
if Sam changes back to a guy and they revert to being best buds.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #106 |
Guest #104 - It sounds like Sam is not going to be your cup of tea.
But for many of us, Sam looks to be the tg movie we've been hoping
for. It's just a matter of taste, it doesn't need to be argued back
and forth. But I do agree with guest #105's view and with
thesaint's fairly exhaustive explanations of this issue. If you
don't understand after all their detailed explanation, well, I just
don't get it.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #107 |
Guest 104, I think you're thinking of Sam's remaining a woman as a
punishment... this doesn't seem to be the case, from what I've
gleaned from thesaint's descriptions. It sounds like Sam's life
happens to be better as a woman than it was as a man, and perhaps
(s)he even chooses voluntarily to remain a woman.
Personally, I like stories, movies, etc. where the character
remains a woman, but then, I'm transsexual, so I would WANT to be a
woman for the rest of my life. Changing into a woman and then
changing back would be terrible for me.
As others have said, it's a matter of taste.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #108 |
Thank you for your replies, Guests. And thank you Guestimation for
your thoughtful reply. I completely agree with you.
Being made in New York, outside of the Hollywood system, but with
industry veterans (as well as talented new comers) I think SAM has
quite a bit of potential. The biggest X-factor for me is the
script. I can find next to nothing about Nick Brooks, but I feel
that John Gallagher (co-writer) has a very sweet sensibility. I'd
really like to see one of his films like Cupidity or The Deli to
get a feel for his dialogue and characters. I'm hoping that SAM
differentiates from those other TG films by focusing on the female
perspective. For instance . . .
The Football scene.
Doc grabs a football, starts to run onto the field.
Samantha: Hey, what about me?
Doc: What about you?
Sam: I may be a few pounds lighter, but I can still catch a
football!
Doc: Sam, we don't play tackle football with women. Case closed.
Sam: C'mon, I still got the chops! I can --
Doc: End of discussion.
Sam sits dejectedly for a few seconds, watching the guys on the
field longingly.
Sam: (muttering) sexist pig.
Doc (off screen) I heard that!
Samantha stands up, walks onto the field.
They let her play one play, she plays wide receiver, she makes the
catch, runs, ducks and then slips and the guys pile ontop of her.
Somebody grabs her ass and a fight breaks out. Stephen keeps
calling her a bitch. Doc tells Stephen to stop calling her that.
Stephen calls her a bitch (the page ends) but I bet you anything
Doc punches him.
I really like how dejected Sam is, not being able to play with his
friends now that he's a girl. He learns that he's lost some of his
physicality, gets groped and even, sort of sexually harassed - "I
can still handle a ball" // "I bet she can." Sam does find it sort
of amusing to be called a bitch - "I guess I'm a bitch."
There's all sorts of social commentary in this tiny little scene
that most TG films never explore. I hear all the time about sexual
harassment on Xbox Live--when a girl supposedly invades a male
environment--or the physical harassment at Comic Con. People bemoan
TG films about being cliched movies about falling over in heels.
But it's only because nobody has really used the gender-bender
genre (in film) to illuminate aspects of the female experience that
we don't appreciate.
Or maybe I'm giving it too much credit at this point, but I have
high hopes. Plus, I love how this scene hints at the friendship
between Doc and Sam evolving into a more chivalrous/romantic
relationship.
About the R rating and possibility of some nudity . . . I hope so.
I'd like to see a tastefully done realization scene. One of the
things that disappointed me about Zerophilia was how there was a
semi-nude mirror scene in the script but not in the finished film.
About keeping things under wraps - oh, almost most certainly. I
recently heard at a film fest a conversation about how most film
productions want everything hush hush. Not sure about the reasoning
but SAM seems to be a big deal to John Galaghers 305 Media Group.
They got some "top tier talent" and it seems like this is the
production companies first feature. The promotion will come later
but I'd like to think they'd appreciate there's already interest at
this stage of the production.
I also doubt it'll be as big as GREEK WEDDING but maybe it'll be
the little cult movie that gets a lot of word of mouth. Maybe it'll
be that movie on Netflix that everybody recommends. I just hope it
inspires other TG films.
Guest #105 You echo my sentiments exactly. Aren't the best
relationships based on friendship like in When Harry Met Sally? I
don't want Sam to change back either and I'm tired of explaining
why. I feel Guest #104 walked out of AVATAR and said "I don't get
it. Why did Jake have to have a Navi's body? Why couldn't he stay
human? Jake won the fight. He could have gotten his legs fixed. Why
does everybody think it's a good idea for him to turn his back on
his planet and his race"
If you don't get it then probably best to jump to another board. Or
watch Dating the Enemy, Si j'�tais elle, It's Harmless to Dream.
They change back at the end of all of those.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #109 |
This is interesting. Screenplays are about 1 page = 1 minute of
screentime.
The Zerophilia script was 93 pages and the film was 90 minutes
long.
Switch was 104 minutes.
Sam is at least 124 pages the movie will be a comfortable 2 hours
long (unless they cut scenes) That sounds great.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #110 |
The scene about playing football brings up a flaw in humanity
especially American society. We associate gender with our feelings.
We are never going to have gender equality when we coddled and
pamper one gender over the other. Just think how much better
America and the entire planet would be if we tried to ignore or
suppress our emotions and feelings about gender. In my opinion,
women should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they
can physically do it. If a woman wants to fight in combat in the
military, let her. If a woman wants to play football with men, let
her. I would love to see men and women fight each other in the UFC.
It would make that sport a million times more entertaining. And
don't start with the whole "a man will grab a woman's breasts,
butt, or vagina" excuse. We need to stop thinking with our emotions
on this crap. Let people take risks. Sorry for the rant but I just
laugh at people that claim to be feminists or have the whole "I'm
for gender equality but I'm really not" attitude.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #111 |
Guest #110 - the reality is that women would get pummeled if they
tried to play football in high school, college or the pros. The
average woman has about one-third the upper body strength of the
average man. Plus women are much smaller and lighter. Up to age 13
some girls play football with boys but that comes to a total stop
in high school. Unless they are the kicker, a non-contact position.
If you enjoy seeing women get pummeled that's up to you, but Doc
takes the right approach in the football scene in Sam.
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From: guest (guest)
, 125 months, post #112 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-PnuFCnzDA
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From: guest (PeachPit)
, 125 months, post #113 |
Jeeeeeez. This thread got serious quick.
I didn't know the 'society society society blegh' crew existed on
fetish sites.
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From: guest (guest)
, 125 months, post #114 |
Since this film isn't a porno or a clipforsale maybe it's possible
there's more appeal beyond the transformation?
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #115 |
Well, I was just saying that if we are going to have the whole
"gender equality" movement, shouldn't we actually strive for gender
equality? That means that women and men compete for everything.
That means that we get to see women play men in football. We get to
see a woman fight a man in the Octagon too. Personally, I'd love to
see that. It's either fully gender equality or none at all in my
opinion. If a woman can take the physical wear and tear from
competing with men, shouldn't she be allowed to take that risk? And
isn't it sexist for you to automatically assume that the woman or
women are weaker than men. Trust me, a lot of men are weaklings and
wimps. I'm sure there are some women that could beat the crap out
of those wimpy men too.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #116 |
I think that's the point of the scene. It plays both ways. Doc is
looking a friend who has the skills to play football, but sees him
different because of his gender. The script says Sam catches the
ball but then slips. The consequence of playing tackle football is
that you're gonna get physical. Samantha is played by a very petite
actress. She's only 5'3". Boxing and Wrestling have weight classes
and on the average men are larger than women. I'm more interested
in the fact that Sam has to reevaluate his place in the world and
how other people will treat him. It's the discussion that interests
me more than the answers.
I think Guest 115 makes a better point than Peachpit.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #117 |
And here's some irony. From the New Girl episode
http://static2.hypable.com/wp-content/gallery/new-girl-1x15-stills/newgirl-ep109-injury_sc3_0319.jpg
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From: guest (guest)
, 125 months, post #118 |
https://twitter.com/lucille_sharp/status/422181636159979520/photo/1
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From: guest (rush)
, 125 months, post #119 |
Thanks guest, that must be Margaret conversing with Sam
pre-transformation. I believe Margaret has a crush on him.
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From: guest (guest)
, 125 months, post #120 |
Here's another . . . http://instagram.com/p/jCoRuBElYb/
http://instagram.com/p/jCplWKElaY/
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