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From: guest (Scipio)
, 148 months, post #61 |
It would be nice if we knew something more about Sam, but
everything known seems to have been covered. But in a way this
thread is still about Sam, because it will hopefully take the
optimistic Lalola view of its theme, not the extremely negative
approach of Switch and most other movies on the same subject. I
hope the movie comes out and lives up to our expectations.
It seems to me that different people look at tg transformation in
different ways. The same people who seem to be able to enjoy
talking ducks and mice suddenly get into the "fiction must be
reality" mode whenever tg subjects come up. For me, tg is a sort of
neglected science fiction (and/or fantasy) theme. It's neglected, I
think, because where talking ducks do not strike at a person's
personal sense of identity, sex does. But the subject really
carries no reason for anxiety. I consider myself a very hetero guy,
but I also think that Lalola is one of the best things that TV has
ever offered us and, between the laughs, it has a lot to say.
Sure, the average person would be horrified to have his life so
turned upside down like Lalola's was. But what's the point of that
observation? Lalola isn't dealing with reality or even commonplace
psychology; it is exploring sexual roles. The show is offering
points of wisdom and humor in an exploration about how men and
women, in the same circumstances (in this case a well-paying job in
business), perceives everyday life and each other. By taking a male
mind and having it see life from the female perspective, what was
previously ignored or misunderstood can be seen more clearly. Like,
foreigners make better explorers than natives because can they look
at the local, commonplace things with fresh eyes. The show is
fantasy, that truth is so obvious that it is scarcely profitably to
argue about it. But should anyone care? I don't think, so, not as
long as it both entertains and makes one think.
Except that so many people see something unsettling in the
foundational sexuality of Lalola, one could see that it is very
much like Dicken's Christmas Carol. It's all about how a
supernatural event can open one's eyes with shocking rapidity. It
tells a similar same story of how one's character can be improved
by coming to grips with how other people live and what they feel.
That Lalola does this without making sexual straw men ("those beast
males") to attack, does credit to the show's method and its charm.
We don't usually go to TV for reality. Reality, full of murder and
massacre, and it should be considered more terrifying than any
fantasy about a sex change. To, to reiterate, Lalola is
entertainment, it's wise entertainment, so why not simply enjoy it,
and, if possible, take something away from it?
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From: guest (just a man)
, 148 months, post #62 |
- 59, No, I am saying we might be surprised at the amount of people
who in time would come to be o.k. with the change.
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From: guest
, 148 months, post #63 |
I think most humans including guys and gals would not mind being
the opposite sex for a day but probably nothing longer than a day.
I think it's human nature that makes people want to understand what
they don't understand. And let's be honest, one of the main reasons
why guys would like to be chicks is because they want to experience
the female orgasm.
But yeah, I'm not that optimistic about the Sam movie.
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From: guest (guest)
, 148 months, post #64 |
Regarding Sam, I guess that all of us who are interested in the
(possible) movie is "Hope for the best and prepare for the worst."
Since so many of us seem interested (as per the number of posts)
let's all hope.
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From: guest (guest)
, 148 months, post #65 |
I believe I have an answer to the debate earlier in this thread,
regarding whether it is realistic for a man, transformed into a
woman, to become adjusted to his/her new sex, or to deeply resent
it and be permanently male in his/her attitudes and behavior.
If a heterosexual male was to become a heterosexual genetic female,
he would be hit with an onslaught of female influences, even if all
of his old male memories and attitudes remained intact (initially).
He/she would have 2 XX chromosomes, have high levels of estrogen
flowing through her bloodstream, would have to deal with a monthly
menstrual cycle, and of greatest impact would have a brain which
works in a thoroughly female way.
She might have male memories and male attitudes, but those ways of
thinking would face a genetic, hormonal, and psychological female
onslaught that would, in the end be irresistible. At least, that's
my two cents. No doubt others will differ. But my hope is that Sam
will follow this course of transition (if its ever made).
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From: guest
, 148 months, post #66 |
So most males wouldn't want to go to back to their male bodies if
they were placed in a female body and had the opportunity to go
back to their male body?
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From: guest (JessicaDrew)
, 148 months, post #67 |
I for one wouldnt go back.
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From: Greg
, 148 months, post #68 |
I definitely would. But really I don't think you'll find what the
average guy think on a website such as this one.
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From: Greg
, 148 months, post #69 |
It would be like going on stormfront, asking what they think of
non-white people and thinking they speak for the general
population.
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From: guest (Scipio)
, 148 months, post #70 |
Many people seem interested in how these movie plot situations
would relate to real people. Not very well, I'd say, but what is
surprising is the great variety of things that real people like to
do, or would want if they could. If one started a class for walking
on hot coals like the Hindu adepts seem able to do, he'd have some
students. All these forum threads seem to try to define what
"everyone" would do or feel, or what a "normal" person would think
or feel. No one person can speak for everyone on any single topic,
and it seems presumptuous to decide what is normal and exclude
everyone else who doesn't conform to this decision.
TG is a excellent subject for fiction; it allows artists to look at
familiar things in a different way. The experiences of both sexes
are profoundly human and have shaped our way of life. For me, the
TG plot doesn't have to be anything more than that.
Let's look at things in another way. Real-life transsexuals usually
express an inability to find contentment in the sex they were born
with. But yet isn't this irreconcilable attitude the very thing
that defines them as transsexual? Conceivably, it says little about
how the general population of men (or women) would necessarily
react. To test the theory, one would need a viable test population
of people who qualify for the the experiment by expressing a
complete contentment in their original sex, but nonetheless (for
curiosity or money) agree to get a sex change in the interest of
science.
I had an idea for a story in which there is widespread involuntary
sex change (magic a plague or whatever), and it is seen over time
that what is "normal" is for a person to adjust very well to a new
sex, just as he or she adjusted in childhood to their birth sex. In
this proposed story, it will be observed that those who can't
adjust are the "abnormal" ones, a distinct minority. I emphasize,
of course, this is nothing more than an idea to play around with
for fiction.
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From: guest
, 148 months, post #71 |
So can we already guess what the ending will be like in the Sam
movie? Is it going to be like Lalola where he will complain about
wanting to go back as a man but chickens out and accepts his vagina
and boobs? I think most guys would think it would be cool to be a
woman for a day but would get old and tired of a vagina and boobs
after day one.
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From: guest (The searcher)
, 148 months, post #72 |
"I think most guys would think it would be cool to be a woman for a
day but would get old and tired of a vagina and boobs after day
one."
the majority certainly but it might depend on the bodies involved.
How many men over 60 for example would want to want their OLD body
back after being in the body of a hot 18 yr old girl with the looks
of a curvy supermodel?"
And boys who can't get a date from even the ugliest girl in school
might not want to switch back after falling down the stairs with a
cheerleader and swapping bodies with her!
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From: Forestier
, 148 months, post #73 |
guest (The searcher) wrote: �How many men over 60 for example would
want to want their OLD body back after being in the body of a hot
18 yr old girl with the looks of a curvy supermodel?�
I'm not even sure about that. He could find the emotions felt in
this young female body a lot too difficult to handle. A young body,
hormones floating about, a new sex, all the boys staring: it could
be a lot too tiresome to live unprepared. It's even difficult for
some girls!
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From: Greg
, 148 months, post #74 |
guest (The searcher) wrote: “How many men over 60 for example would
want to want their OLD body back after being in the body of a hot
18 yr old girl with the looks of a curvy supermodel?”
Offer the same turned 60 year old a new hot 18 year old MALE body
and the vaaaast majority will pick the guy model. It's the youth
part that is interesting not the female bits
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From: guest (Michele)
, 148 months, post #75 |
This whether to go back or not is the trick that that author of
that novel A Woman's Passion uses to keep you guessing.
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From: guest (guest)
, 148 months, post #76 |
Interesting clip that may end the debate on the Lalola discussion.
http://youtu.be/8GC14P8jOWU?t=56s
Ted Prince was born with a rare XXY chromosone. He was married and
secretly into crossdressing but after getting stung by a bee his
endocrine system went outta whack. He started producing more
estrogen, developed breasts, and eventually fully transitioned to
female. Now Chloe admits that her altered brain chemistry has
effected her sexual preference.
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From: guest
, 148 months, post #77 |
Is it possible that some men would only like to see what it's like
in a female body because they'd like to have the power that comes
with a female body? A guy in a female body would be powerful in the
sense that he would think like a guy but have a woman's body and be
able to get men to do whatever he wanted.
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From: Greg
, 148 months, post #78 |
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From: Greg
, 148 months, post #79 |
Women are not supernatural creatures that bend men to their will
thanks to some magical powers, or the sway of their hips. Some guy
who does whatever a woman says just because she batted her
eyelashes is just a sign this specific guy is an idiot.
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From: guest
, 148 months, post #80 |
Any updates on the Sam movie?
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