From: guest (aronimink)
, 125 months, post #221 |
Regarding the alpha male to lady transition, I had a real life
experience with something similar. From age 18 to 28 I dated, off &
on, a terrific girl who was a super tomboy when she was 14 & under.
ALL of her friends were boys. All of her friends called her by her
last name, never her girly first name. She played sports with boys
and almost always beat them. She wore her hair short & hated girly
stuff. She NEVER played with dolls.
When she was 15 she changed dramatically. Almost like someone waved
a magic wand over her. Kind of like the SAM movie. She still loved
playing sports - she won the award for outstanding girl athlete in
our 3,000 student high school -- and she was an excellent athlete
in college. BUT... she suddenly developed a strong urge to grow her
hair long, wear skirts, dresses and makeup, act like a lady, and
all of the rest of it.
She insisted everyone refer to her by her first name. Regarding
romantic/bedroom stuff, she was the girliest girl on the planet. By
far. All of the guys were crazy about her. She had gorgeous legs
and as ZZ Top said, she knew how to use them. But even in her late
20's, whenever we played tennis, basketball or simply tossed a
football around, she remained a hardcore jock.
I always found that fascinating. She grew into a beautiful and
feminine young woman, but on the athletic field, the boy in her
always remained. I fell in love with someone else & so did she, but
that part of her character always utterly intrigued me. I think
that is part of the reason SAM interests me so much.
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From: guest (aronimink)
, 125 months, post #222 |
Forgot to mention - the girl I spoke of, in post #221, told me
several times: "I used to wish that I was a guy, but now I wouldn't
give up being a girl for anything." The quote is exact.
It seems to me that SAM is going for that exactly that same
conclusion. That is what intrigues me. How does an incredible
journey like that occur? How does someone go from being strong and
masculine to being beautiful, weak and feminine and to PREFERRING
that radical transition?
What is the character development arc that takes place? Its like a
journey of a million miles. It is my hope that SAM addresses that
arc head-on.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #223 |
Wow. Thank you for sharing that story aronimink.
I can relate a little to having a girl / friend who was just one of
the guys. We called her by her last name too. I always thought she
was cute but she never really came out of her shell. After a while
she did ask that we stop calling her by her last name. Another
friend of mine is very tom boyish, with a smart mouth and prefers
hanging out with the guys but when she dresses up . . . wow . . .
she is incredibly beautiful.
I completely agree with everything in your second paragraph except
I'd use the word vulnerable rather than weak. I know what you're
mean but I feel vulnerable can imply both emotional as well as
physical and it's not necessarily a negative. I'm curious to see
Doc protect Samantha and how that affects their relationship and
how it adds to her journey.
And I agree with you when you say "How does that story happen"? I'm
really hoping this movie is as good as I'm hoping. Every
twitter/facebook/instagram page I've found the cast and crew repeat
the same thing: "this is such a great script." It also makes me
happy that Natalie Knepp wrote how much she liked working with her
romantic lead. Good chemistry is essential and if they became
friends it'll translate to the screen.
They are almost done with shooting and then we'll have to wait a
couple of weeks before Nick Brook's interview. I really hope he'll
have some clips to share and or maybe a trailer / website /
facebook page will be available.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #224 |
That's a wrap!
Looks like principle photograph is done.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=413391382127962
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #225 |
I wasn't trying to start an argument with anyone on Samantha's
wardrobe. I just posed the question as to whether if it's sexist
for a woman to be expected to dress feminine and girly. I mean
Samantha could wear tight dress pants suits with heels and still
look just as girly and feminine as if she was wearing a short tight
dress with heels.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #226 |
No worries. I think there's some sensitivity because this thread
had a troll.
Here's my theory. I was watching Brooklyn Nine-Nine (hilarious)
when I noticed that Melissa Fumero (the girl on the left)
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2430904064/tt2467372?ref_=ttmd_md_nxt
. . . had the exact same outfit as Samantha in the pic with the
Victor Colicchio and Nick Brooks. It's a pants suit and her hair is
completely unstyled.
Samantha works for a modeling agency and there is a scene in the
script where Morgan Fairchild's character says "that girl needs a
makeover. She won't make a good impression on [the partners. I
agree that Samantha could look beautiful in her plain blouse and
suit but it's not unrealistic that for the work environment Sam
works in compared to a Police Station she would need to dress up
more.
Also, for the purpose of a comedy it makes sense to put Sam in a
dress for 2 reasons: one its funny to see the character
uncompfortable in such a wardrobe and two it visually represents
the evolution of the character.
I think they initially show Samantha in a dress but then later, she
herself, starts to style her hair different and begins to
accessorize her wardrobe. That's another evolution of the
character.
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From: guest (aronimink)
, 125 months, post #227 |
Thanks thesaint for the "that's a wrap!" notice. I liked that group
photo and Natalie Knepp's comment. It seems like there was a lot of
genuine good feeling on that movie. Here's hoping that it bodes
very well for the finished product.
Regarding the term "weak" vs. "vulnerable" yes, you are right
thesaint, the girl I was speaking of was NOT weak, in terms of
character. She had a will of iron. By "weak" I was referring to her
relative loss of strength. She grew to her full height in
elementary school (5' 6") and in 5th grade was taller & stronger
than any boy in her class. But by age 18 she was shorter, smaller &
weaker than virtually all of her former male classmates. Her
younger brother, who she could once defeat easily in wrestling,
could pin her in about 10 seconds at age 18.
So, in that respect she had become weaker (in relation to her
peers). There was a small part of her that always seemed
embarrassed and amused by that, but for the most she gloried in her
newfound power. The girliness & femininity she grew into at age
15-16 gave her power over men that was far greater than her
previous physical strength. And, regardless of her power over men,
she really came to enjoy being a girl, just for her own pleasure. I
think many girls make a similar transition as they grow up.
Which was one of the things about her that I always found
fascinating. That is something I am hoping SAM addresses head-on.
How do you make that incredible transition? To go from wanting to
boy at age 12, to relishing being a girl at age 16? I kinda/sorta
can imagine the change in her thought process, but I want to see
SAM's explanation of that phenomenon.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #228 |
I just hope there is a scene in the movie maybe like in Dating in
the Enemy where Samantha is getting dressed and puts on a pair of
black pantyhose and struggles a little with it but eventually gets
it.
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From: Tuggy24g
, 125 months, post #229 |
Well there will be a scene were she struggle with high heels (I am
can not wait for that). So there will be at least that. Maybe a
pantyhose scene but I would not count on it.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #230 |
I think we are all on the same page here with regard to our hopes
for SAM. I love that scene in Dating the Enemy with the pantyhose
(also that little moment when he reaches for his back pocket and
realizes his wallet must now go in a handbag). I'm also curious if
Sam makes multiple trips to the shoe store or if they show his
apartment changing over time to reflect his physical and mental
changes.
My biggest worry/fear/disappointment is that the movie won't take
the time to show the little things that we fans love so much. I
feel like I'll probably have to prepare for the possibility that
it'll be like Switch and just gloss over everything. There will be
no scenes showing him getting dressed, there will be no shopping
montage, we won't see her getting ready in the morning, applying
makeup, struggling with a bra, resigning to sitting down on a
toilet or having to wait in line at the bathroom, dealing with her
first period, getting her ears pierced or being too short to reach
something high, or trying to lift something heavy etc.
I really worry about the possibility that all of this will won't be
acknowledged at all. However, they did cast the role of a
Pedicurist and Samantha's nails are painted by the end. And there
is a scene (which I've never seen in a TG film) where she's lost an
earring.
It's two weeks away from Nick Brooks interview. I really hope he
reaffirms our hopes. I hope there's at least a clip and I hope it's
not too much longer before there's a website and/or a trailer.
Having followed the development (or lack-there-of) of Werewoman the
last year I am extremely grateful for all the instagram, facebook
and twitter updates on SAM. The movie I've been waiting to hear
about the last 4 years has been shot! It's halfway to being
finished! Now all they need to do is edit it and score it.
Except for Paradox Alice, is this really the first American, full
length feature, MtF transformation film since Switch? That's 23
years
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #231 |
Oh, and let me just say - Dating the Enemy scene or not - I'm just
glad that Samantha at least wears pantyhose/nylons in this film. It
seems even Kate Middleton can't bring that fashion trend back and
it breaks my heart.
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From: guest (aronimink)
, 125 months, post #232 |
There are several reasons to hope for a gradual evolution of
Samantha's character, and for not glossing over the little things:
(1) Its an indie production, and hopefully will be more thoughtful
and not go for cliched stuff as big studios tend to do.
(2) I think someone, probably thesaint, said SAM's script is really
long. Therefore there should be plenty of time to develop the
little stuff (struggling with dressing, checking her new appearance
in the mirror, realizing how short and weak she has become,
struggling with her new status in the world, etc.). The football
scene, where she falls and realizes she can't play nearly as well
as she used to, is a logical place to develop this theme.
(3) Natalie Knepp, at least in her photos, has a sweet ladylike
character. She's not just a hot shallow bimbo, as Ellen Barkin was
in Switch. So maybe the director wants to really develop the
character.
Whatever the case, I think we'll know within the first 15-25
minutes of Samantha's appearance. TG films always seem to show very
quickly whether they will gloss over the transformation and merely
use it as a cheap prop.
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From: guest (aronimink)
, 125 months, post #233 |
btw its a shame that Kelly McGillis didn't get the Amanda part in
Switch. At the time she was still beautiful, and she was up for the
part. According to an interview I read Kelly wanted to transition
Amanda's character in a thoughtful and detailed way. We'll never
know how things would have worked out, but her version of Switch
could've been far more interesting than Ellen Barkin's.
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From: guest
, 125 months, post #234 |
I know that there has been a lot of discussion about pantyhose but
why is that Samantha wears hosiery? I mean some characters that are
males transformed into females either refuse to wear hosiery or
just don't want to do so. Is Samantha doing it to be lady like and
sophisticated or something? I won't lie. I love black pantyhose on
women's legs but why not go bare leg? I mean it could be because
when SAM was filmed, it was winter and hosiery provides a small
level of protection on the legs, thighs, butt, and crotch.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 125 months, post #235 |
This was just tweeted by Sibyl Santiago . . .
Almost done shooting #SAMTheMovie!
http://t.co/VlmDnP4tSc
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From: guest
, 124 months, post #236 |
So no more instagram pics or any other on the set scoop? I kinda
miss the daily updates.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 124 months, post #237 |
One last one of the cast and crew.
http://instagram.com/p/kBKrPfQjuN/
It looks like we won't see anymore news until the 20th. We should
be so lucky. We got almost daily snap shots and then we'll get an
interview. I remember the 3 years when Paradox Alice was being made
and we'd see a single picture or a 1 second clip before an vague
teaser trailer and finally a music video. The daily updates for Sam
have been wonderful. Especially since it's it looked like the movie
might not get made. I also appreciated how ambiguous the shots were
so as not to spoil the whole film (despite me wanting to know
more).
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 124 months, post #238 |
Here is a shot of the statue they were posing on.
http://instagram.com/p/j1m3j5hbIQ/
It's Alice and her Wonderland friends. The sculpture was
constructed in 1959 by Jos� de Creeft and children are allowed to
crawl all over it. Not sure if it has anything to do with the plot.
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From: guest (thesaint)
, 124 months, post #239 |
Here's the crew outside a clothing store.
http://instagram.com/p/j4-fxTFkRh/
Natalie commented on the Alice in Wonderland fountain in Liza's
album and mentioned the Caterpillar. I forgot about the Caterpillar
and the character seems appropriate to the theme of the movie.
"I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, sir," said Alice, "because I'm
not myself, you see."
"I don't see," said the Caterpillar.
"I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly," Alice replied very
politely, "for I can't understand it myself, to begin with; and
being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing."
"It isn't," said the Caterpillar.
"Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet," said Alice; "but when
you have to turn into a chrysalis - you will some day, you know-and
then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a
little queer, won't you?"
"Not a bit," said the Caterpillar.
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From: guest (aronimink)
, 124 months, post #240 |
Nice pickup on the Alice In Wonderland theme! Interesting,
appropriate and original. I think its an indicator that a lot of
thought has been put into SAM. Not just going for cheap gag laughs.
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